Before any smart alec says it, no, this is not a case of same caliber, but different ammunition. The Kraken uses the same ammo as the maelstrom, the rifle in 6.5mm. There’s only one 6.5mm round in Starfield, and both these guns use it despite them being completely different. The kraken could still be 6.5mm, that’s fine, it just needs a separate ammo type so that it’s not interchangeable with the 6.5 rifle ammo

this is actually a highly realistic detail. It shows how, just like real life, people cant unify so now multiple things are named the same thing.

Fuck it machine pistol that shoots the same rounds as a carcano

Dude if you don’t know what you’re talking about, shut up. You clearly have adjacent gun knowledge and kind of an understanding, but that’s about it. This is half assed slop, also jp performance has heat sinks, you dipshit.

I feel bad for anyone excited about the next elder scrolls.

Why have a heatsink INSIDE THE GUN? YOU KEEP THEM ON THE OUTSIDE TO RADIATE HEAT AWAY

And here i was expecting you to make fun of the aa99 for its heat venting while reloading, but i geuss the guns in space thing makes it necessary

Homelander aaaa laugh

lol ur not overthinking this at all

it only fires the casing and ejects the bullets

First off all it’s just a game in space second off all its bethesda what do you expect

A water-cooled, 6.5mm rifle-caliber, automatic machine pistol that shrinks the size of the bullet casings…

Is this worse than Call of Duty Vanguard weapon customization…?

Whenever i feel useless i remember people criticize videogames that break the laws of physics with impossible technologies because their guns are a little silly

6.5 creedmore in a pistol? The fuck

In the vacum of space it’s stupid cold so you don’t need heat sinks.

Maybe you should do a video on how space ships/space travel works.

Oh wait…

The Lewis light machine gun had a heatsink on the barrel, it was just had a design so that you couldn’t see it unless you were German or Austrian-Hungarian.

But cmon it looks good

The amount poeple care in detail about gun design in a game like this is a perfect measure for how autistic some is lmao

Heat sinks do exist on *some* guns IRL but they’re attached directly to the barrel

This makes me appreciate Hell divers attention to detail

Id argue a heat sink makes sense for a gun in space in a vacuum you’d need a more robust cooling abatement than in atmosphere but again the guns aren’t the biggest issue with the game

Is there a good gun in this game of such wonders?…

A heatsink does jack-sh%#÷% if there is no air,you need something to exchange the heat too, eg water or air

It also has barely any barrel length, the gas wouldn’t have enough time to significantly speed it up to it’s optimal potential. It’s a game yeah, but these micro barrels in weapons are weird

Starfield is bethesda’s attempt at new vegas and it shows the cavernous seperation between obsidian and them.

Woah fantasy game has fantasy guns

I love how the “stapler reload” would wreck your zero with every mag change 😂😂😂

Fallout 4 was when Bethesda didn’t try hard enough. Starfield was when Bethesda tried too hard. 😂

Fucking Bethesda but dam do I love this one

Crack 10

Nah, we see how the weapon feels ingame depending on how based we are.

Everyone’s just based asf in starfield, as we deserve.

Dude it’s sci fi who cares

The Kraken?

More like the Crackhead

A water jacket is technically a heatsync, so are cooling ribs.

Bethesda is incompetent

There’s a heatsink available for ar barrels and a lot of F class rifles use them

focun of full length videos plz im still waiting for cyberpunk weapons part 2

Heatsinks only work if there are ambient gasses that can absorb the heat, in a vacuum you have to turn that into thermal radiation and direct it away from the system

I think this is just a wildcat ammo situation. Where the bullet is the same size but the casing is larger or smaller. Think 22 vs 22lr vs 22 wmr. Same bullet just varying casing size

Only Americans give a shit about this type of stuff you guys fucking love guns too much 🤣

That laugh sent me 💀

WW2 japanese heavy/medium machine guns utilised cooling fins and the like. Never seen something like that on a piatol though lmao

The Lewis gun and some french heavy machine guns in wwi used heatsinks.

Yeah the ammo chamberings bothered me quite a bit in this game lol. Never seen a heat sink quite like that on a gun but a lot of guns (especially fullauto ones) have some system to help cool it. Not really a bad one to use for the space MAC-10😂.

The designs are just too into the future for our small puny brains to understand.

im less bothered by the heat sink and more bothered by its placement. it aint gunna cool jack shit being on top of the chamber and covered 90% of the time

Guns for kids who don’t know better.

I heard before that bethesda is bad at gun design but these designs are just…i just cant wrap my head around it

Heat sinks actually used to be pretty common on machine guns back in the early 1900s. Thompson finned barrels and Hotchkiss heavy MGs for example. Easy way to ditch weight and the need for water cooling jackets.

It’s just an overbarrel stapler.

I dunno where this channel came from, but they always got such L takes on these weapons. 💀💀

Heatsinks have historical precedent. Take the Lewis gun for example, that had a heatsink shroud around the barrel.

Look, I don’t mind guns ignoring basic gun design rules in video games as long as the weapons look cool/ are fun to use. Cyberpunk does this very well. Its weapons have tons of flaws, but they are extremely fun to use and have cool profiles.

Starfield fails on both counts.

Looks like a mutated uzi pro, also heat sinks are in guns legit you ever seen fluted or ribbed barrels? That’s a litteral heat sink, the cooling jacket on the Lewis? Heat sink, the M1917 and the maxim gun water jackets? Heat sinks

6.5mm isnt all that smaller than 308. 308. is like 7.5mm so it’s pretty big fucking bullets for a tiny ass machine pistol like that. Out of all the starfield firearms this one is one of the least gross.

I’ve never heard you break character 😂

Red Right Hand makes ARs with heatsinks…

Heatsinks are on many many different rifles, everything from fins to scallops taken out of material on the barrel to make it “fluted” so the surface area is increased. They even tried water cooling on early machine guns like the Maxim

Starfield is 50/50 for me when it comes to gun designs. Because i love all of them visually, they just look cool.
But when i look too close i sustain +50 psychic damage.

I gave up trying to understand the idiotic size names for the ammo guns. So dumb.

some of the earlier machine guns had water filled jackets
sure the heatsink was a lot more primitive back then
but its still basically a heatsink

If this gun was a bit bigger it migjt make an okay looking stubber

It’s telescopes

Ok, but this gun actually looks really damn cool compared to a bunch of the other pieces of garbage they have in the game.

Remembers that obscenity from Fallout 4 the Combat Rifle chambered with .45, WTF… Todd I love your games but I think you should take your developers to a Shooting Range!

it seems to me bethesda was like: “Let’s make some cool looking guns :)” – “do they realistically function?” – “lol no, they look cool”

Aint fantasy guns in video games mostly are absurd lol

Brother, YOU were the one who pointed out to me how disjointed and clunky these big teams are (love that video). Animation and models run separate from game experience. And not easy to change anything once done, because it is all as if discrete companies.

I say this in a good manner but when Obsidian and bethesda split it’s like Obsidian took all modern firearms lol

Thompson smgs had heat syncs on the barrels.

There’s the water cooling jacket for the Browning 1919 and the Maxim machinegun…that’s basically an old style heatsink.

In a fictional world there is no point searching for reasons.

Cooling of guns is not a thing in Starfield because Bethesda thinks the vacuum of space is cold.
When you do the main quest to find old records on the Moon and then in NASA (iirc) you find on the Moon base a log that talks how they got a supercomputer so powerful they had to put it on the Moon to keep it cool and says straight up that “for better cooling they should’ve put it in outer space, but “supercomputer on the Moon” is better marketing”.
This sci-fi RPG has a worse grip on the “sci” of the “fi” than DOOM 2016.

Fallout 4’s guns look like they were crafted by the gods compared to Starfield’s garbage

Heat sinks don’t work in space. They need a medium to disperse heat into, a vacuum the lack of any medium.

I guess a heat sink would be good for caseless ammo but this isn’t caseless so…

Is there any gun that actually is well designed in this game???

Space stapler

The purpose of that top opening when reloading is like opening an AK dust cover.

It’s useless.

It looks like a retarded mac 19

Thats the flux capacitor man

Bethesda needs to stop being lazy, they know if people are buying the ammo at shops they’re gonna buy it all

well in the vacuum(am i having a stroke that does not look like a word to me 🙁) of space cooling would be vital because it doesn’t leave into the wind or atmosphere

for that reasons caseless ammo would be an even worse idea in space since you couldnt get rid of any of the heat when the case ejects

When you make Orks from 40K have senseical weaponry you have failed as gun designers

A rejected candidate for the marine corps M26 Infantry Automatic Rifle had a heat sink

Okay i cant defend this one

It’s the cooling fan for the ammo counter

6.5 is the diameter of the bullet… the length of da od of the bullet

They could have literally just made nothing but laser weapons and it would been more realistic. They wanted to go the fantasy route but tried to keep things grounded in reality and as a result did a poor job on both fronts.

Ammo morphing is a staple of modern Bugthesda weapon design.
I used to absolutely lose my shit every time I used .50 revolver in Failout 4. Because both revolver and hunting rifle use the exact same .50Cal round.

Complaining about guns using a shared ammo type? Cause no other hame as ever done that before. 🙄 If you hate Bethesda games so much, why play them? Seriously, you sound like an angry child.

Not every game needs a thousand ammo types like New Vegas did.

You gonna go complain about Borderlands or The Outer Worlds guns not being realistic next?

Not that its realistic but machine guns have used heat sinks for cooling before such as the lewis gun

I won’t lie I actually like the look

Also, where that mag release at? he’s just flicking his thumb against the grip.

The people who made this weapon they are artists not weapons experts

I feel like the devs had too much kraken designing this gun.

Why are they ejecting casings from caseless ammunition

Starfield is a trash game, you got a lot of talent&effort and you are currently wasting those on a garbage game

This has been in every fallout game. Something like this at least. Fallout 3 and it’s 32 caliber. New Vegas and it’s 12.7mm caliber guns and fallout 4 with most everything. This is nothing new.

I have a gripe with Brandy having a gripe about bullet calibers being magically able to swap size at will, since I mean I don’t think any casual players would find it very fun if they had to manually figure out the difference between 7.62×39 and 7.62×25. Especially when given that most Fallout players probably don’t know how to tell an AKM from an AK47, so simply labelling a bullet without the x__ and allowing it to be used in several different firearms makes it simply just an easier casual experience.

And I already know in that realism ammo mods exist for Fallout 4 which make all kinds of seperate ammo types for nearly every gun in the game, I know. And I personally find it to be a fucking NIGHTMARE, because it’s like I brought work home and put it in a game which is just kinda- augh.

The videos are great though in most of it’s entirety, but it’s genuinely the only part I have gripes with in the series. :shrug;

Gotta love Bethesda magic

It’s like these guns are designed by people that know nothing about guns, and just look up the terms surrounding guns

Physically recoiled seeing the kraken for the first time just now. I’m the first person to excuse sloppy hun models but good lord that one is interesting looking to say the least. I wish bethesda would just hire a guy who is into guns on a functional level so they can stop getting made fun of 😭

It feels like whomever designed these guns must have dyed hair, eyeglasses and screaming from the top of their lungs about what they wanna be refer to…

Seems like short after short of roasting this game

I love the idea of a cooling mechanism/ heat sink in space but putting it right where your hand goes to rack the slide is questionable

I’m convinced they just AI generated some things that look like gun through some paint on them and names and sent the game out like that. Everything about Starfield is disappointing but the guns especially.

I love starfield, its a really good game

I don’t understand why they didn’t just go to the star wars route and copy and existing gun and make it look futuristic instead of creating a whole new gun

Like wtaf is wrong with the Bethesda devs? The last decade standards rose and any amount of looking during said time you’d have seen the hype and raised standard for things like this wether is gun or vehicles of it doesn’t actually work how it does irl we’re all gonna call it tf out like why did they think that’d be ok ? 😂 blows my mind that they just don’t care at all anymore and it’s a f’ing joke and I feel beyond disrespected and disgusted by there attitude abt these games. Just stfu make a new engine take a decade if u need but for the love of God stop pulling piles of shit out ur ass and expecting us to like it

I hate how it’s supposed to be based off the iwi uzi pro

Maybe Its Using

The Pistol Ammo Version?

This is what you get when you hire people to design something they know nothing about.

I mean, I’m not trying to discredit Bethesda, they obviously don’t have anyone who knows what a firearm is on their quality control team, but to make a point on the 6.5mm we have many iterations today of 7.62mm. Some are made to be rifle cartridges like 7.62mmx39mm and 7.62mmx54mmr, while others are meant to be sub machine gun rounds, like 7.62mmx25mm Tokarev or 7.62mmx21mm. Just because you have one dimension, doesn’t mean you know the round, just how big of a hole it’d make

Yo OP, I think considering how pirates handmade weapons like this, it might need a heat sink to cool it or else it maybe might spontaneously combust.

You might need a heat sink in space? But you only use guns on planets not in space.

They were so busy going for the rule of cool that it just looks like a tool for a fool.

The more shorts I see from this guy, the more I’m convinced that Bethesda has no udea how guns work

also it wouldend be a issu with over heating as when the gun if mad out of metal would essently fuse togeter once the erosion layer is warne away sore of like thos plastis that will sick together without any external healp i don remember the exact siance so you would have tysurch it yourself but ya the metel comonet like firinpin slide and barrel would almost certanly fuse togethe into once solid peace within lik 2-10 rounds if your unluck and befor you go say itd be made out of caramic remeber caramic is a much more expisive matreail and harder to work with so atleas most fir ars would have that componis that reasiev high presser mad of metal of some sort

my first thought was: “that thing looks like a weird stapler” as well.

The number for the ammunition is diameter, not length. Is 50cal rifle rounds vs 50cal pistol.

The game clearly went through some sort of *massive* restructure at some point during development that overhauled how exploration, fuel, and the economy worked (to the game’s detriment in my opinion) and I think ammunition was a part of this overhaul, sooo many of the guns have bad animations, mismatched ammo, inconsistent damages, etc. a part of me wants to see what a talented modder could do to make all these things more consistent but it still wouldn’t change the boring slog of a pace of playing it or the god-awful designs of the weapons themselves because Bethesda is incompetent and creatively bankrupt beyond repair

I love seeing Tomar learn about Nextbots

I mean, plenty of guns have had a heat sink, some even water-cooled, but okay. The real problem is apparently heat sinks don’t work in a vacuum (or near-vacuum). That’s really good for us, otherwise Earth would freeze over really fast as our atmosphere dumps all of Earth’s heat into space. It does mean, though, that dissipation of heat in space is an issue that can’t be resolved with conduction heat sinks. Heat can be dissipated by way of radiation in space, if I understand (I’m not a physicist, so please, correct me if I’m wrong). I’m just not sure how you channel conductive heat into particle radiation or whatever you’d call it.

Mass Effect was sort of on the right track with the disposable heat sink, where a part of the firearm collects conducted heat, then is physically ejected from the firearm, getting replaced with a cold heat sink.

Where Mass Effect 2 went wrong was these heat sinks could not dissipate heat while in atmosphere – which is most places in the game you have firefights. In such places, limiting fire rate and having down time should allow you to regain “ammo,” the number of shots before over-heating.

Space guns are a truly interesting engineering problem, and i don’t think Bethesda’s designers care enough to put some thought into the designs. It’s just, “here’s magic bullet box with tech-y/tactical looking shit slapped on it.”

Wait if its caseless ammunition why is it spitting out casings 🤯

Heat sinks 100% make sense in space on guns

They also make sense on earth… the front trunion of the ak acts as a heat sink , tons of real guns have heat sinks , they are just usually thick blocks of metal to suck up heat instead of radiate it out

But some guns like the Lewis machinegun use a radiator heat sink to cause suction and move air under the barrel shroud over the barrel ….

Is this just a guy that don’t know shit about guns complaining a company dosent know shit about guns?

Maybe they saw the deagle chambered in “.50” and thought they could get away with this.

That forced laugh was super cringe

This is insufferable

Schrödinger’s bullet LMAO

I died when I watched the video and this chad of a man laughed so fucking hard

The wiki suggests it COULD stand for Cased Telescopic ammunition. But it’s clearly a caseless round so I suggest it stands for caseless telescopic ammunition. So that I assume means it has a flexible sabot that shortens and lengthens 🤦‍♂️ I don’t know I’m trying

For Bethesda MM stands for Magic Munitions so they believe they can concoct whatever nonsense daddy Todd can then claim “it just works”.

Do y’all think we gonna be slingin lead or lasers in space real question

Blackhole technology

Careless ammunition for a gun that spits out casings. The fuck?

I think the top part that shows during the reload is more than likely a coil as a part of like railgun coil system for whatever reason which wouldn’t be the dumbest thing about this gun somehow

Obviously that’s the flux capacitor man

I Honestly love hearing his laugh :>

The Lewis LMG is a famous example of an air cooled machine gun with a large heatsink.

I mean there are 6.5 mm but I’m not sure that’s what they had in mind

The Kraken reminds me of the uzi, specifically the IWI US model

Why non of the weapons work???

I’ve never thought about how firearms in space would have heating issues because there is no air to transfer heat to. Thats an awesome observation.

Is it just me or would the gun actually look better without the top part that covers the heat sink

I’ve been listening to this short for 15 min and I just now realized it was a perfect loop

Should look at how wonky the guns are in off the grid i think its called they have a multi barreled shotgun like the electric multi bullet launcher but the pistol grip is hanging off on the side of the gun and for some reason one of the pistols has a on of the pole things on the back like the lugger (sorry idk what its called i aint the biggest gun nut)

You should do an “everything wrong with the guns from borderlands” as a joke video

Even with the expansion making the game worse like I left as soon as I got bored after beating it in one whole day even to ng+ 10 and to top it off my jet pack was not working like it should and the guns were bad so this flopped

technically they could’ve gone the route of the 7.62 pistol round by reducing powder and henceforth size of the cartridge, but most of the guns in star field use like caseless ammo or some shit like that so i don’t know

BGS has branches in Texas. They could have gone to any gun show and asked nicely how the guns work, and there’d be plenty of people happy to explain.

They just did not give a shit. Todd kicked the dungeon door open and demanded that the devs make a space game based on a dream he has as a kid. Todd needs to be fired

Heatsinks actually make sense when you’re in a low atmosphere or vacuum conditions

Other than the weird ammo thing, this one is perfectly “meh”. Would make a solid henchmen weapon.

How can he handle that recoil

A heat sink kind of makes sense for a space setting even on a cased gun, but if that’s the use case, it wouldn’t then be air-cooled copper pipes.

Generally your gun wouldn’t work for long in vacuumed of space depending where it is at the moment, if in shadow then it would freeze and jam pretty quick if in sunlight it would overheat really quickly and there would be risk of ammo explosion anyway so yeah it wouldn’t work both ways

Could someone explain to me why shooting in space would heat up your gun quicker?

His laugh is Great

Lmao. Why is this dude forcing his voice to be deep

To be fair, fallout new Vegas has many guns that eject the wrong cartridge, amongst many other discrepancies

I’ve never heard you laugh this hard. That just goes to show how absurd bethesda design is.

I somehow lucked out and had that gun drop as I was leaving the starting mine. I used it long into the 91 hours I played the game

You have seen it. WWI machine guns and the Japanese WWII machine guns have cooling fins

Can you review guns from destiny 2 plss

UZI/MAC
With Bandit look
And Nasathesda

As a huge Fallout fan this series by itself has convinced me I’m not that interested in Starfield. At least for full price.

I am entirely sold on the idea Bethesda used ai entirely to design their firearms with no aforementioned knowledge pertaining to firearms.

Bethesda’s commitment to making nonsensical weapons is commendable.

I wonder if they were thinking 6.5 creedmore because it’s a popular shooting round, but forgot to update it for pistol.

Is there any gun they made in this game that isn’t a screwed up old Earth one that has an iota of good and practical design to make it at least not a goofy ahh physics and logic don’t exist gun?

To be completely fair, Mass Effect 2 and 3 use heatsinks as the equivalent of ammunition. If I recall correctly, most guns in ME2 and 3 have ammo blocks in the guns or something, and they’re only prevented from firing faster or more frequently because of heat regulation, hence the heatsinks acting like the ammo you have to manage. It was a minorly controversial change both in and out of universe, with at least one conversation in 3 having side characters advocating for or against the system.

The heatsink/radiator is something I will give Bethesda credit on. Cooling is much more difficult in a vacuum because there’s no air to transfer that energy. So you can only radiate that heat, which isn’t as effective therefore you need more cooling.

god they couldn’t even make a mac-10 right…

Looks like a Glock 17/18 and a Mac 10 had an unholy love child while thinking about the halo pistol…

Starfield is like If Warhammer tries to be Fallout

Are you telling me this gun magically shrunk these bullets?

The guns in Starfield are almost always extremely stupid. I can’t help but love them.

This looks like a mac 10 , IF THE DESIGNER WAS HIGH

Cooling fins are basically a heat sink

Some guns use air cooling… Just not like that… I hate… Whatever THAT is…