HUH? ..any game engine can do this.. talk about pulling it out your butt..

I dont understand the downplay pf the creation engine as like the thing that kills bethesda games nowadays. The engine is fine, Starfield’s BASIC gameplay isnt the issue or problem. The problem is the barebones story, lack of interesting quests and content

you can do the exact thing in unreal, it makes no sense to say this is a viable reason or a reason at all.

This isn’t even exclusive to Creation Engine, it’s the Havok Physics Engine, which is licensed out to other engines. their site links to the Unreal and Unity Engines’ Havok plugins .

Another reason: it is extremely accessible to modders. Case in point: 95% of mods on Nexus is for a game running on this engine… out of, like, 3000 games they hold mods for…

And yet still a terrible physics compared to source

Do you really want to pretend that they’re are saying the truth? 🤣

Simulate alot of junk. Well that’s Bethesda in a nutshell isn’t it

This is the kind of stuff people were impressed by in 2009.

If Bethesda designed their games like an immersive sim instead of an single player MMO they could create one of the greatest games ever but that will never happen.

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Let’s stop pretending the issue is the engine. The Fallout London team proved a good experience can be made in this engine. The problem was Bethesda’s design priorities and lack of creativity. They could switch to Unreal 5 tomorrow and it wouldn’t make any difference if they had the same writing team and design leads.

What Bethesda needs is new talent with fresh ideas.

Bethesda is a multi billion dollar company owned by a trillion dollar tech company. Should there even have to be a compromise?

We’re literally catching rockets in midair now, but we can’t have a optimized creation engine?

Haven’t played Starfield yet, but the interactivity with the world is something I love about the Elder Scrolls games. Taking that away in favor of fewer loading screens doesn’t quite balance out for me.

Starfield is trash

That old hag of an engine should have been binned before fallout 4. I said to myself after that game that I’m not buying another Bethesda title until it’s gone

This has literally NOTHING to do with their Creation Engine. This is literally is most, if not all, game engines. It’s basic physics features that components have in game engine. For example, I develop games in Unity and I can do the exact same thing in Unity by simply adding a ridigbody and a collider component + a script for the logic where I control the gravity to make it floaty”.

It has ZERO to do with the Creation Engine.

Can’t you do that in other engines as well though? I think UE5 should be more optimized in simulating smooth physics easily, especially an engine like RAGE that RDR2 uses, it simulates physics very well.

why does it have a zero sum game?
why cant Bethesda develop a next gen engine built on the back on the existing creation engine code.
If they started work on it when Starfield first started development,they could have had it finished alongside the game.
They were just being lazy.Seems like most at Bethesda dev team including senior management had the notion of ‘Thats good enough’ while falsely hyping up the game as the next best thing in gaming.

Cool… but is the game good?

lol we use a game engine that has anti g load screens and dead eyed NPCs because you can collect junk😂

That is not the only reason for creation engine 😅

i dont mind a load screen if its not too long and what it loads is worth loading. why would you waste my time loading garbage with no lore no game play value and no objective benefit. atmospheric items can be static. it wont make me cry if i cant pick up a wad of crumpled paper. bit if you put an animal in a game and dont allow the option to pet it ill say its a garbage game.

Didn’t Nintendo demo this back in 1990 when they released the GameCube and showed 100 objects interacting with each other?

Luke sees something cool, immediately says something negative and why it sucks

There is no point to blaming the tools for poor craftsmanship. Since they have access to the source code of the engine, they can put anything they want into the game. If they wanted a seamless experience, they would design the feature and put it in. If they don’t care to, they wouldn’t waste the time. If they didn’t think it was important enough to utilize it in their own engine, why would they bother implementing it with someone else’s engine.

If they didn’t think it was important to implement seamless atmosphere to space flight like in No Man’s Sky, it wouldn’t change by putting the game in Unreal. If they didn’t think it was important to stitch rooms together for a seamless building traversal, it wouldn’t change if it was in Unity. Etc.

Something funny to note. Creation engine is capable of creating a seamless world. If you play Skyrim or Fallout 4, the player is allowed to walk from one corner of the map to the other. It does this by loading the area a player is expected to go, once the player gets close. Then it unloads the areas that the player gets too far away from. This is why you sometimes get pop-in when you traverse the map, it is the world loading into existence around the player. However, their game designers only use this feature for the larger open world, not the cities, buildings, or dungeons. It made sense to only do this for the larger areas back when games were played off of HDDs and systems used small amounts of memory. However, now they are not restrained by the slow read speeds of HDDs or the size limitations of previous RAM. So they could use the predictive area loader for small areas, but they don’t. That would require placing rooms inside buildings and stitching all the environments together. Sometimes rooms or dungeons don’t fit inside the buildings or caves they were planned for. It would take a lot of effort to fit square pegs in square holes. So they just plaster a loading screen over it and move on.

I get you don’t like the game but why dedicate an entire video on something you don’t like why not move on? Idk you YouTuber people confuse me why waste your time with something if it irradiates you so much? You keep popping up for some reason so I thought I’d ask

gamebryo. “creation engine” was a marketing renaming of the engine theyve used since morrowind

Modders have found ways to make drivable vehicles, jets, and rideable horses in the GAMEBRYO engine and hundreds of other ground breaking mods for other Bethesda games. If Bethesda hired some of these genius modders to work on their engine, i bet they can figure out how to keep the physics while removing majority of loading screens

I thought Bethesda decided to use unreal engine and dropped creation moving forward.

Simulate a lot of junk and then never use that part of the engine ever again

My problem with starfeild is the campaign is terrible… like turd scented candle

The main issue is, theres no point in having the junk physicalized. Oh yeah you can pickup 1000 sandwiches, 5000 spools of wire, or desktop fans/radios. But over over half the stuff is just that junk, stuff you can’t do anything with. At least in Fallout 4 or 76 you can break it down to make stuff. In Starfield you cant, theres no need to have so much stuff in-game doing nothing.

Most pointless thing in a game 😂

I don’t understand why they can’t improve the engine or move on to one that works better.

Meanwhile in astro bot zhere is ton of physics objects on screen just to show off

2 HOUR JETT VIDEO?
AND ITS HORROR?
AND ITS DECISION BASED?
Perfection.

really cool, until you understand that increases the save file size and the bigger the size the bigger the chance of file corruption

I never really liked it to be honest. Its distracting to someone like me who wants to look at everything but when everything can be picked up…..sigh it just becomes tedious

they stick with it because it fits their gimmick

They saw people playing with cheese wheels in Skyrim and decided that should take precedence over the game being well optimized, shenanigans over the game working

I think they’re just lazy.

So what I would say is it is time for them to make a new engine with this functionality but also having an up to date engine that can do more than just have sandwich piles.

This kind of thing was impressive back in the oblivion/Skyrim days, but I really can’t be bothered to care that much anymore. Surely there’s a way to have that _and_ fix the other problems at the same time

Novel features aren’t very practical most of the time

Or You can have both but it’s reserved to not being Bethesda.

Honestly, i was annoyed by the amount of interactible junk in Starfield. 99% of the interactible objects were completely useless/pointless.

Sounds like they know they arent capable of recreating that functionality in a modern game engine because whoever developed that back in the day arent around anymore

Bethesda could’ve literally just upgraded their Creation Engine like what Ubisoft (the 2010s Ubisoft not tbe 2024 one) did with their AnvilNext Engine.

the only good reason they should stick with their engine is that its extremely easy to mod. anyone can do it so we get tons and tons of cool mods. unless of course the games boring and stale like starfield.

The difference is that in fallout you can pick up that junk and turn it into something in your base and in starfield it’s just junk

Me wish my ship full of around 600 succulents: couldnt agree more

Seems like poetry that Bethesda keeps their engine around to simulate junk and trash, instead of the monumental amount of other benefits that a different engine could provide.

Yeah, in 2006, that was pretty cool 😂

I think a reason it still “does well” is because all the loading screens feel reminiscent of when games and titles were handled with care.

What if they just started to use another engine like unreal engine 🤔?

This is why I like the creation engine and they should keep it. It’s all about game design and starfield blows.

Thing is other modern engines can do this exact same thing (to my knowledge). Sure this is impressive, but when the engine sucks and doing basically everything else, what’s the point in being able to stack sandwiches?

Yay, a bunch of useless junk no one actually asks for. It is COOL to see that, but does it justify the things you mentioned? Hell no. If that’s their actual reasoning? Their priorities are backwards.

The other main reason: Bethesda OWNS the Creation Engine, since they bought the Gamebryo engine outright back in the 90s. This means they don’t have to pay royalties to use the engine, like they would have to with Unreal. Since Bethesda games have a long shelf life, that’s millions of dollars over decades they get to keep.

well why wouldn’t they use Creation engine? They did create it

It would’ve been better if they had a hand full of planets that where hand crafted, and had systems like in NMS in that the goldfish bowl of space actually had missions and content like spacestations and asteroids within it.

These physics were around since Oblivion with cabbages and cheese, it ain’t nothing new.

Seriously, am I the ONLY one who doesn’t give a crap about the loading screens?

I just think that even if they deliver good gameplay they’ve now shown that they can’t deliver a good narrative or good unique world. They need to stay in the confines of the elder scrolls and Fallout where people smarter and more creative than them have invented actual good worlds 😂

I was always a fan of Beth’s physical items, in FO3/4 where u can drop your guns, armors or even small junk items or a part of your brain which got cut out of your Charakter in a mission. All these things was memories and I placed them in my houses megaton or self built bases in FO4. For me, the loading screens are not the problem, for me, it’s the problem what u get after a loadingscreen, in fo3/4 you was receiving a hand made unique dungeon/bunker etc where you enjoyed to be, scavenging the place, uncover prewar science/military experiments which may had a terrible outcome. All of this was it worth to wait and look at a loading screen. In starfield you had to many nonsense loadingscreen where u knew, “it’s probably another bunker which I saw on 20 other planets”. Heck, I even ignored locations which I saw far away in the distance, cos I knew, it’s probably a procedural building which I already saw dozens of time. And this is for me a terrible downer in a beth game, I always roamed through the wastelands and was willing to discover and see every place in this world, starfield failed in this case massively

Then Todd comes out and says “you don’t have to pick up/interact with everything! Just ignore it!” So it’s the main reason you use the creation engine, and the creation engine is the main reason bethesda games are so outdated….and people should just ignore the reason it’s still used. Makes total sense!

No one cares when your game is boring.

I genuinely don’t understand why anyone is so obsessed with loading screens.

their games are outdated buggy steaming piles of mud. they need to learn what a polished game looks like lmao even concord was better put together than ANYTHING BTGS has ever done

I remember the Bethestards whenever this game came out they were bragging about how you could put like 50 potatoes in a room, continue playing the game, and you’ll still come back to that room it’ll still have 50 potatoes. It’s like…..yeah dude. Cool. 😂

L engine now

Honestly if they had utilized these physics to approximate low/zero-g EVERYWHERE and make ships feel less like a shitty jet it could have been worth it.

I really dont think the problem with starfield its the engine.

Completely ignores the whole morning scene that surround their games and is one of the pillars that they work off of at this point and how moving to day unreal give completely nukes everything people have learned about how to mod their games for literally two decades at this point

I feel like a lot of the hate towards rhe clutter could have been fixed if we were given a crafting station to break down resources into their base elements. Sinilar to fallout 4.

I feel like modding is a very strong point to miss, as Unreal Engine 5 has pretty shit modding support as the UGC plugin which is the primary way mods are supported, isn’t maintained by Epic for UE5. The only moddable alternative at the moment would be Unity unless Bethesda made their own tools for UE5 which would be a cumbersome process.

It’s fun to idealize Unreal Engine but you need to take into account it’s drawbacks too. I think they should have focused on implementing a seamless procedural generation system, maybe worked on Elder Scrolls 6 first so they could get the Global Illumination and stuff done while keeping the loading screens, and then have enough time to upgrade the generation model so that they can have full seamless planets, etc after ES6.

Either way, the writing still sucks and that’s not a game engine issue.

Its also because of its modability. It has a 20+ year fan base that’s familiar with how to mod stuff. If they went to UE5, it would kill that trained group they know will keep their games alive through modding.

Is it just me or was creation engine used in deadspace remake

Bethesda feels like a magician who keeps repeating one trick, hoping to impress the same audience over and over again

Sounds perfect for a game like Viscera Cleanup Detail.

It would be clever to make such junk stuff indoors, but it seems pointless to make that possible to do outdoors or wider space

Things like this help add to game. Yes it’s small and doesn’t really matter if the game sucks, but it shows talent.

I never played Starfield nor it’s dlc but I have heard they weren’t received great (especially the dlc) but had some great elements that needed optimizations and more quality content surrounding it.

TLDR: It’s a tech demo of a great game.

This would make sense in Elder Scrolls game where you can use telekinesis spell to control the junk and flooding the enemies with it. Even in Fallout it makes sense as you have JunkJet where you can fire junk as fireballs.

I remember when this generation was marketed as the gen with no load screens 😂. There might be 2 or 3 games that do that across all platforms. This was the worst console gen upgrade, everything looks and plays like last gen with the tiniest upgrades but for a higher price tag

Game sucks

Im tired of people saying the game engine is outdated. it isn’t. sure not having loading screens is nice but it doesn’t affect the gameplay at all.

But how does this affect Lebrons legacy ??

It makes sense for Fallout where collecting junk that turns out to be useful is part of the core gameplay.

the game is objectively trash Luke desperately wanna love it its still a load screen simulator

I’d rather have TES and Fallout maps back than any of thousand empty planets that Starfield can bring if you have to deal with a loading screen every time. A new engine would be a good thing because the bugs are just getting way too noticeable with each new game. The writing isn’t getting any better so at least give us an actual up to date experience with an engine that can take advantage of our hardware and load a game faster or deal with little to no loading.

It likely won’t happen but if Bethesda isn’t going to change their games then Microsoft at least has to step in and allow other studios to take a shot of off-shoot games for their more popular series.

Junk Engine

You sound like the American version of jacksepticeye

People saying the game needs a new engine don’t know what they’re talking about. However the loading screens do get annoying after a while.

Counter argument: 1000 sandwiches

I’ve never felt like to loading screens were excessive but then again I’ve been playing since NES

Still better loadtimes than Rockstars RAGE engine

This feels like a version of saturation point to me, like when things reach a certain amount, going beyond that is just dumb, inefficient and very expensive. It brings down the quality of the overall game