But… but players just turn the story into paper airplanes…

Bethesda has had a gradual decline since fallout 3 and I think starfield is the first time a lot of people are realizing that

Man, people really just won’t accept that Starfield was a bad game.

Starfield is a disappointing (bad) game, with AWESOME themes. The theme of open space travel is fantastic! But we can’t do that in Starfield cuz we’re just in a tank painted like space. The theme of exploring alien planets is fantastic! But in Starfield we can’t do that, cuz we’re just walking around a giant rock. The theme of ship building and tweaking gear to improve performance is great! But in Starfield there’s no reason to have a fast ship, or a ship that carries a lot, or any ship at all. I was a HUGE Bethesda games fan…before Starfield.

It should’ve ended at Fallout 4. it was time to scrap everything and start over. I thought they would lean heavily into consequential decision-making. Obviously, that is extremely difficult because every choice would create a ton of different outcomes. I think there’s a way to do it.

exactly

What the hell how is starfield optimistic? If anything it is just as nihilistic as fallout. Does anything matter if the universe keeps repeating.

It was the absolutely empty planets,

It’s boring, empty, and limited.

Lol theme issue! Is this what the devs tell themselves so they can sleep at night?

Dumb point 😂

To quote a great man “IT WAS FUCKING BORING!”

How can people enjoy searching the same science outpost with everything in the same spots i got bored after building a few ships and explored what was the entire game loop. Idk they should have just done two or three feature packed solar systems and then did dlcs

Honestly I felt like SF *was* as cynical and nihilist as FO. Far too often I felt like I was playing a fallout in theme with how much of the world was abandoned and occupied in essentially reskinned raider/spacers, atom cultist/Varun, BoS/Ecliptic and so on. Jesse Gender touched on that in her video. Starfield SAYS it’s optimistic, but then just like all their other games the dark underbelly is what they end up focusing on with things like the poverty in the Well, the corporate corruption of paradiso and the generation ship, the political corruption of the UC main quest and etc.

What you’re not talking about is how god awful Bethesda is at dialogue. Imagine new Vegas, same themes and world building, but dialogue replaced with Bethesda style writing: morally correct option, morally incorrect option, funny option, question that doesn’t advance dialogue tree; it becomes so boring and predictable.

All this mental gymnastics just to avoid saying the game is mediocre fucking DOGSHIT

Yeah maybe Starfield will be better received in the future when modders fix it

Starfield didn’t get boring at 30 or 40 hours, it got boring at like, 4 or 5 hours.

These people really need to take their meds. Starfield is a pathetic game for a large studio like Bethesda in the year 2024 in every single metric and this guy makes it about the themes and philosophy of it all. Those games are not that well written.

The story is cool , the concept is cool, its a COOL game .

But i dont like fast travel simulator 2023 –

I had so many gripes of little stuff. Like if i desire 10-12 Q.O.L. mods, the game is not wowing. Constant loading screems, utterly boring base building, the repeat dungeons. Story is meh, i hated all the npcs minus the black guy and the robot. Being roguish had you on your whole crews shitlist. Space battles are also meh. I like that my whole base is inside the ship if i want, but i wish there was a more explained or a better way to construct the ships. I had moments where i would sit everything together but had to zigzag path through the ship when the intention was simple paths. Never finished it and modders have dim prospects of modding it in any decent way. Wish i could get my money back.

if the game is boring, it’s just boring. Simple as that, well said

It’s the story that killed it for me , if you choose power you loose more and more of yourself in each galaxy you leave behind, eventually becoming the hunter, lost and empty .

It’s a skill issue

In Skyrim, I had a magic sword that was given to me by a dubious divine entity that could smite the swathes of undead living in the crypts that were plentifully scattered, filled with gold and gemstones and collectible artifacts like dragon claws, and each one had it’s own history with lore I could delve into in between my dragon slaying adventures.

In Starfield, I remember storing dozens of mech parts and harvested organs in a box at an outpost I couldn’t get to function, because if I had them on my ship when I went back to town, I’d get shot at, and I couldn’t find a place to sell or use them despite how valuable the game claimed them to be

I liked Starfield, and put over a hundred hours into it, but eventually I just got worn down by it and constant immersion breaks (loading screens included). Then when one of the major side quests just broke for me I was done with it.

This is a hilariously ignorant comment

I mean at least Fallout 4 tried a hit or miss not a miss miss miss🤣

I liked Starfield. Yes it doesn’t hold my attention as well as fallout does but it’s still a decent game. My biggest take away is that elder scrolls and fallout 5 on this new engine are going to be amazing.

The themes are grear the gameplay is worse than their last game

Honestly even the “theme” was garbage..
Multiverse SUCK.
I don’t need a game that tells me “none of your actions or choices” matter in the end just jump universe..
Also none of the faction had any soul..
maybe the pirates..

and the world was soo poorly fleshed out and illogical that broke the immersion

That’s an unreasonably cultural pessimistic view anyway.
The game’s supposedly optimistic themes are just very blandly presented and don’t come across well in the gameplay or design either.
I rather think the product is cynical, customers have only wisened up and see through it.

I wouldn’t really describe Fallout 4 as cynical either

Starfield shit the bed day 1 because it was just 10 years behind the curve. Loadingscreens everywhere, halfassed procedurally generated content thats not actually content… who In the hell thinks people will like this when friggin space engineers exists?

Where Bethesda absolutely shines is their open world designs. Every game gets better and better. Fallout 76 has an amazing open world and is probably the best one in the series, but starfield had very little of that. There was no character to the world. The few and far between handcrafted areas didn’t make up for it. Once that is gone from the game you’re left with just another generic action game with some RPG elements. The game absolutely has other flaws, but if this game had like 20ish handmade worlds to explore I think most of the other criticisms could be looked past.

Starfield is neither forward-looking nor optimistic. It’s basically a space apocalypse, and everything kinda sucks.

I’m just waiting for Starfield to reach a point like fallout 4 so I can mod the shit out of the game with Star Wars mods

It just brought nothing of value. If I pay that kind of money for a game, I expect pretty impressive gameplay. It’s fallout 4 in space, maybe worse because of the fish bowl design

Starfield is a standard boring bethesda game, its got a 7/10 story with a 4/10 mechanics

Theme wise, humanity is better off in fallout than statfield

Starfields theme is Not forward looking. Its a Look into Stagnation, its Alot like Fallout but with a dissonance. Everyone is putwardly cheery but if you actually look at the world its depressing, isolated and stagnant. Ironically Fallout has better looks into the future then startield does. Fallout is about picking up and moving on inspite of the end.

One of my main issues was that cities were still ”Bethesda Cities”. Apart from New Atlantis (which was big but kind of full of nothing) no cities stood out. You mean to tell me that the Freestar Collective is a GALACTIC association of multiple planets and billions upon billions of people and the Capital is Akkila City??!?!??!?! a city as small as a couple of football stadiums with MAYBE 5k people in it? Come on. I never once felt like I was part of a human galactic civilization. SWTOR did that better imo

It’s was empty space Skyrim

lmfao what a dumb take

“Starfields writing is actually really really good, and Emil is a genius writer. Everyone in our society besides me is just culturally too far behind to even comprehend how good it is. Once you guys aren’t cultural neandertals anymore you too will understand that it is the best written thing to ever exist, the way I do already cause I’m really smart actually.” Get tf over yourself, Starfields writing sucked even more than the other post-Morrowind bethesda trash so far, and that says a lot, because the only reason stuff like Oblivion and Fallout 3 isn’t the all time lowest point in fiction is because Skyrim and Fallout 4 exist, f*ck right off with this “actually, bethesda is genius at writing” bs. If you think you are the only one far enough ahead culturally to understand how good something is, chances are the other people aren’t wrong for disliking it, and it’s ok to like something that’s unpopular, you can think that Starfield has good writing, that’s your personal taste and nothing is wrong with that, but to go around and telling people that they are idiots for not liking this pile of garbage is insane, just play your bethesda slob and be happy, it doesn’t have to be the best thing ever written for you to enjoy it. Why are Bethesda cultists always so f*cking weird?

I think starfield is more entertaining to play then fallout 4. I have more time in starfield then i do with fallout 4 and im only still playing 1 of those games. I think people had expectations of starfield and when the game didnt live up to it they just shit on it. But lets think about it. Starfield is massive. Each planet does take a load screen to get into. Kinda like a cave or building does in fallout or skyrim, except that load screen in starfield gives you a massive map area to explore.
“But the maps are so empty…”
Yea and so is space and most planets in space. Its actually more realistic that there are so few planets with actual life on it. This isnt like fallout or elder scrolls where its been built up over decades to create the world we see today. This is a new world that is just starting. And maybe in 15yrs we will get a sequel that will expand and improve upon the world, or i guess universe.

The mental gymnastics are insane…..

I dropped starfield coz the outpost system is garbage and dropping materials and stuff is tedious af… I mean who tought would be fun to create 50 chest to drop your loot.

I almost bought star field but then i contemplated the current social economic of our country and just couldnt. It wasnt cause the game sucks.

What a fucking stupid ass take, Starfield was just a shit designed game.

Starfield squeezed 30 hours out me. I got into the same gameloop as in FO4 and Skyrim, but there was actually very little incentive for me after about 10 hours or so. The only saving grace was the space pirate sidequest where you infiltrate pirates from the inside. It was a Bethesda game without the fun exploration or even EXPLORATION at all.

Richard needs to go outside. That was the most twitter thing anyone could say about a video game.

Starfield is a clown simulator

This got recommended to me and i must point out that a lot of people took issue with the writing and the themes of star field. I saw several video essays about it on my feed. I have no opinion as i haven’t played it but i think story and themes matter more than you give them credit for in a game like this. Again consensus seemed to be that the setting was bland. Maybe we are on different algorithms.

Fallout 4 wasnt received well either so this theory fails at the first step

The game was boring at 5 hours, not 20

How is spending 70% of the game on a loading screen “forward looking”? Lol

Themes? Of Stanfield??
Whats next, the riveting action cutscenes of Cookies Clicker?

20-30 hours more like 20-30 minutes

It’s heavily down to the setting.

Fallout and Elder Scrolls are at one end of the open world design philosophy. At the macro level both are pretty generic, but on close examination the passive storytelling of how it’s put together is bottomlessly deep with the games back to Morrowind still to this day getting videos on the implications of tiny details like where items are hidden in a dungeon or or how the belongings of an NPC compare to their dialog.

At the opposite end is Cyberpunk 2077. Vibrant and iconic at the macro scale, a beautiful and brutal and oppressive world to move around in. At the micro level, though, it breaks down. Clutter is meaningless and repetitive, there’s few tiny stories buried in the environments. Stories told in dialog don’t have any support or challenge in the environment where they are told.

Starfield is dead in the center. It is generic at both the macro and micro levels.

Bro thought he was cooking with this pseudo-philosophical thesis

If hollow emptiness ever comes in to fashion in the future, kill me.

Or I’m already dead in which case, mission accomplished?

Starfield just feels like an empty vessel. I really have been trying to like it but there is nothing in the story or side quests that do it for me. No exploration ethier. Just loading screens and fast travel. Combat is also wonky at times.

Richard is shilling for big companies

It’s a pretty typical Bethesda game in all these regards.

Thats just ppl pretending they know some sht about ppls opinion that others dont. Meanwhile the reason is no extra sht you have to analyze, the reason is actually the one that ppl told you about x.x

“Bro the gameplay sucks”
“I think the story is to optimistic for him”
stfu xD

nope I got to level 40 and I WILL never ever touch that game again after my friend showed me star citizen

Starfields story and themes were great. I actually loved the game for a long time. It’s weaknesses became very clear late game.

I’m playing Fallout 76 right now and I hope in a year or 2, I can jump back in to Starfield and have as much fun as I’m having with a game I hated back then. One thing Bethesda is the greatest at is taking mid games and making them epic.

It’s the whole package honestly.

There’s a few good moments, but far too few.

Calling Stanfield optimistic is like calling the cold war peaceful. No it isn’t, the lore is not optimistic. Maybe at the end but so are most bethesda games. Humanity is fragmented beyond help there very few people living in what today you’d call at most towns. All live away from each other because of the fear og terrormorphs all this while constellation tries to find answers to questions beyond our understanding. Humanity is so devided and the economy so bad that a good chunk of the population turns to piracy and terrorism. Optimism?

I think they meant to say

Star field is a bad quality game filled with flaws that dosent match our standards while fallout is a good quality game with flaws but still love able and reaches our standards if not exceeds it. I expect starfield to be better well received when nostalgia rots society’s brain

The amazing story of new Vegas absolutely CARRIES the rest of the game

Starfield fans will say literally anything

IDK about F4 but New Vegas got more choices and veirty in one dlc than starfield had in whole game.

The mileage this dude has gotten from bashing starfield is impressive

I remember a time when people said that fallout 4 was boring

I hate the fact that people think fallout as a franchise is somehow cynical of the future and or of humanity. That has never been the case. Fallout is very pro humanity and shows the good in humanity and how humans can work together and grow to adapt to any challenge. Fallout is mainly cynical towards aspects of modern society like the tribalism of politics, late capitalism, super nationalism, militarism, ect.

I have 60 hours in starfield and 500+ hours each in fallout 3, 4, and new vegas. Starfield just doesnt have any interesting maps

Yeah that take is massive cope, the problem with Starfield isn’t its themes, though from what I’ve seen it is very thematically bland

Gameplay was bad and story was stupid and lazy a game in space with no aliens is doomed to fail

Its both gameplay and themes/style. Fallout is briming with charisma and iconagraphy while Starfield is just.. if Star Trek was more realistic and boring.

You were being generous, i got bored in less than 7 hours 😅

Well it for me, was an extremely cynical pro corporate designed world that wanted to masquerade as the Perfect Neoliberal Optimistic Future where everyone has the freedom to make money.

Amazing what people will defend.

its not the color of your piss, its what you had for dinner before

I think the opposite is true, I think people want an optimistic games…its just the game was bad, theres not much to it.

I do agree that in 5-10 years people are gonna start liking the game again, but I don’t think it’s because the theme I just think it’s because that happens to like every game.

The intro tells you a lot, fallout 4 is pretty open but most end with powersuit pretty early on but you can miss it. In starfield within the opening you get a fully loaded ship and everything you need

What an insane take

“Working theory” based on absolutely nothing 😂😂😂😂

there’s a reason why games like fallout and minecraft have survived for so long. it’s the open modding, they fully know people do it and are open to it. it creates a longevity of the game because then people can start to make the game the way they want or different. release updates even when the devs stop updating. i mean i remember for so long for fallout 4 there was a few people making mods literally to update the game

That argument is better made for games from the early days.

Back then you poped in the game and boom gameplay. Wanted better weapons, skills or different cosmetics, you play the game . No microtransactions, no boosters , no need to stay constantly connected to Internet . Nostalgia can’t even be used as an excuse at this point given the current state of gaming. Some quality of life improvements and people will go back to older games , alot more than you think. IMO

It’s definitely not a theme issue. Also, what’s optimistic about corporations basically running intergalactic society? That literally sounds like the worst version of the future, albeit probably the most likely. A non-compelling story is what it is. Cyberpunk 2077 is a completely pessimistic view of the future, but it’s a lot more compelling story and a hell of a lot less boring mechanically even though there’s less depth to the mechanics of Cyberpunk. Starfield has all the ingredients of a great game, but didn’t tie it together with a compelling hook. Most of the mechanics are just there, but ignorable.

Just realized I’ve literally never heard a single person either online or in real life talk about Starfield’s story. What is it even about and are there any notable characters at all😂

Forward looking?! They killed off dogs in that game. I quickly went full psyco and stopped caring about the npcs because of it.

Have any of you ever eaten a steak from Applebee’s? That’s what i felt like when i passed the ten hour mark on Starfield.

Starfield had me very excited. You see I was coming out of a 10 year sports game coma. Had been hearing for years about RPGs. I love space, so I thought Starfield would be a great place to go. But I wanted to understand RPGs better and learn about Bethesda. So I did my research, read the positives and the negatives about Bethesda. Then it was very clear that I needed to try Fallout 4. Jump in and fell in love, but knew I was waiting for Starfield. So Starfield drops and it was 3-4 really hard months. Being new to RPGs. Fallout 4 just invited me in and it was just seamless for me to get into it. While Starfield was just hard to play in. The story, the issues. I fucking hate Sarah, she never shuts the fuck up. I went back to Fallout 4 and still rolling with it. Having a blast! I booted up Starfield the other night just to see it again. First load up page took to long, turned it off.

Extremity eloquent cope

the copium is high in this one.

I’m all for a bit of an optimistic zeitgist, but that doesn’t mean it has to be so boring and sparsely populated that I lose the will to live travelling from point A to point B, surely?

It was just boring

I played it for 55 hours and barely touched the main story. After going to 2 Temples i was bored of how long it took to get to each one so i just gave up on it.

Tbf I think there could be an element of truth to this, it’s just not the main reason Starfield was disliked. Not even that high up the list if I’m being generous tbh

I’ll never understand why so many people get upset about other people not liking what they’re interested in. If you like Starfield, great! Just don’t expect others to not be honest about their experience.

I don’t know who that Richard Hoeg is, but he was smoking so really wacky shit.

Starfield is boring

People barely got to examine the themes because the game was near trash

Occams razor wins again lmfao. Simple answer: “the game was fucking boring”

If that post was accurate then there wouldn’t have been hype built up around the game prior to release.

Aka In the future people will be even dummer and have more brainrot so we can just some miniseries and boost the sell by 10k%

starfield is not a good game deal with it.

That fable bsckground music unlocked so much dopamine

My longest current skyrim playthrough, 60 to 70 hours i think, only got that far thanks to two things, limiting myself to my hands and the goal to beat the ebony warrior in combat, and while it got a bit repetitive it was fun as i could create a story for my character more than just the dragonborn, its what starfield lacks, player choice.

There is just not enough content in star field.

Lmfao by the time the culture changes, Bethesda might have added enough updates and content to make it actually enjoyable

Bro is upset people don’t like his new favourite game so he’s reaching farther than Halo.

Procedurally generated worlds are boring. No one likes them. They are low effort.

I got into classic star trek like 3 years ago, and now it’s one of my favourite things.

I find starfields take on an optimistic future boring as sin, thats the main issue. It just isnt interesting.

I rather hunt for a child or my dad or the guy that shot me, heck I rather save the world’s from dragons as getting into the business of running around with a forking Kindergarten of Space Mutants that is packed to the brim with lack luster done once seen all content repeated 60 times in a row. Heck sell me the 4 Side Storys of the factions as a thirty game Indi I by it but spare me all that useless stuff in between please. And this from a sci-fi fan…

Again….starfield was miles wide and an inch deep

Who played any of the fallout games and thought they were cynical in nature? Imo fallout uses a cynical world to tell an optimistic story. That goes especially for the game shown fallout 4 but i feel like it applies to all the mainline fallout games in varying levels.

Couldn’t agree more! For me it was the non-stop loading screens and having to run forever just to get to any place.

Fable 2 music!

I truly tried to love it, loved the “hopeful” aspect, it needed better gameplay (to many loading screens, empty world, it even felt short, skyrim and fallout hide the fact main questlines are short vía exploration and random content)

What optimism? The main story is an endless cycle of gather magic portal parts to go to a new universe and cause more trouble in an perpetual Valhalla. How is that optimistic?

For me Starfield just didn’t have enough to do. It’s a good game and I’ve put a lot of time into it, but there’s too much open and empty space.

Game is garbage its not like 10 years is going ti change that

I didnt really get invested enough to really consider the themes all that much. Its just simply too boring to think about like that. I did about 15 hours and that was mostly looking for said themes… Or anything interesting really.

I actually thought the thematic aspect was the only redeeming factor… maybe re-release after a mechanical overhaul

Bro that tweet is so filled with cope and pretentiousness they can’t even be understand why Starfield is garbo

People will like starfield more in the future because Bethesda’s next game is going to be even worse.

Imagine being so far gone to thinks so much that you come up with these schizo theories instead of admitting that Starfield is a trash game

My story got bugged out and couldn’t talk to a person to progress so thats where my journey ended. The quests were lame unless it was a main or companion one. I loved the game but there wasnt enough content on other planets to keep going

pretentious dumpster opinion. pull the microscope back and its pretty clear you’re looking at a pile of 💩

Bethesda games have many bad or mediocre aspects but one thing they do well is having immersive exploration. Starfield doesn’t have that, it’s not going to be better in the future unless for some reason people start enjoying games being empty of content.

no i hated the characters and the theme and the shoved down your throat story they were all so flamboyant

Starfield just straight up sucked. Period.

Starspiel.

No Mans Sky has it’s issues, mostly due to the fact it’s procedural generation and because it’s a game made by a small studio …but where it succeeds, it does so very very well.

Bathesda didn’t really succeed in any way with Starfield. No charm, no fun, technically Inconsistent, and constantly breaks immersion …in a genre where immersion is really important.

lol no other excuse needed , the game was stale and boring af

It’s funny how one of the most noteworthy things about Starfield was the heelsvsbabyface rant.

Given how poorly Fallout 4 was received, to now, with very little change in between… I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Starfield is appreciated considerably more in ~5 years time.

That game is just boring. It was a task to even push to the 30 hours i put in.

Yeah starfield just sucks. It’ll swing back around when Bethesda gives it a complete fallout76 style overhaul

I both have fun with and get bored by Starfield. I dig the vibe, sometimes its fun… But other times its like drinking room-temp water; bland and flat.

20-30 hours? Dawg. I didn’t even make it 2 hours and deleted it. 😂

People often confuse a vocabulary with intellect. The dude who posted that tweet is a complete moron. It doesn’t take a genius to see starfield is a badly designed, outdated game. If it came out early 2000s then people would have liked it. It’s boring by today’s standards.

Imagine calling that tweet a “working theory” like he didn’t just get an idea and post it without any thought whatsoever

The fishbowl environments and navigating the universe through menu’s and loading screens seems like a core part of Starfield, which I don’t think any amount of DLC or updates will fix. They could add more things to populate these generating worlds. Bethesda does seem to be doing alright updates. They added a pretty good map, the ship interior decorator looks good, and they have land vehicles on the horizon. These are all good. I think people who like starfield will see it improve because bethesda is trying to save it. I think for people who didn’t like its core mechanics, there is no way to truly fix it except with a Starfield 2. I think ultimately it may be remembered as alright, especially when its price sinks and PCs improve, so you don’t need a top of the line machine to run it decently. However, I don’t think it will ever be remembered as great. Not to mention if there is a starfield 2 which fixes many of its core issues, and is maybe made in a different engine then likely everyone will flock to that and brand Starfield 1 as awful.

I loved the game alot, I still play it but I can 100% see how and why people don’t and it’s completely valid to dislike or even hate Starfield

I personally strongly enjoyed the game

Gotta intellectualize everything
Just a bad game bro shut up

Yes, lots and lots of empty space, loading screens and bugs are bound to make one optimistic. /s
Jesus xD

All they really had left was their quest design and oof, Bethesda’s quest design is the most critiqued thing in the last 17 years.

That guy watched the fallout show and now he thinks hes an expert

What so many people forget is that Starfield is just 8 months old and a other Game then Fallout, Skyrim or Cyberpunk hence to compare these makes no sense to me. I love Starfield but we all agree it has problems…. but Bethesda did a really good job fixing things and start listening to the feedback. My guess is that Starfield becomes a really great game in the future just like FO76 did. Another point I want to address is the hate for Starfield, in the most part, it’s not justified all those people have hardly played the game over lvl 50 or 100 where the game feels totally different. Bethesda really makes an effort to fix things and is even working on a rover as we speak but those people just ignore that and find any reason to hate on the game… If you don’t like it it’s fine you say it and move on but I don’t understand these people keep watching Starfield content and keep trash talking to people who like it!? Anyway after I finished the main and faction quest I started exploring and I found so much stuff…. for example I found a deimos transport who was drifting through space, I battled a legendary battleship, I got to know new npcs who settled on planets or smuggled contraband into the UC, I enjoyed helping UC security and so much more…. as you can see there is plenty to do but you have to look for it and pay attention or it’s hard to miss it. So my conclusion is that it’s a great game but also have many flaws like the repeating locations to explore and the lack of inclusion of your character in the world (I mean by that you still are referred to Vanguard Cpt. after literally saving the whole settled systems.. and for some reason when you walk you’re not the same speed as the npcs). I really wish for the shattered space dlc or future dlcs that we get a UC story expansion and be able to officially join the UC military like the marines and be able to do missions like reacon, patrol or even assault or raid I really wish for that and maybe another colonial war with house varrun or something. I really think this game has much potential in the future and I hope with these dlcs we get more unique locations in this galaxy to explore.

I enjoy aspects of Starfield but they aren’t as fleshed out as I’d like. The ship builder, thats basically it. But you can’t build freely, every ship is basically a pancake. There is no way to make very vertical ships despite them showing up towards the end of the main story. Allow us that landing mechanic in the builder maybe.

Yeah this is cope.

The themes were kinda generic and therefore a little boring if you ask me but still fine, it didn’t really hold the game back in any significant manner. Starfield just sucks on a technical level fundamentally.

Remember when Doom Eternal devs talked about the notion of a “fun zone” where they force players to adapt to the game so they subsequently could cater an experience that will give the player the most amount of enjoyment in interacting with the game as they possibly could?

Well Starfield took that notion and threw it into a supermassive black hole. There’s no fun to be had in walking the barren planes of planets. There’s no fun to be had in the fetch quest hysteria that is the main story and there’s no fun to be had in the bonding with the most shallow companions a Bethesda game has ever seen.

All of it just sucks

Starfield was a shit game, try harder next time

The Creation Engine is an abomination that should be put down. The Bethesda cope is so real. Guys the only good Fallout game wasn’t even made by Bethesda..

It’s the gameplay, it was horrid.

It’s just a boring game. Exploration is boring. The story is boring. Combat gets boring after a while. It’s overall a boring experience.

Even if that were true, this person is completely discounting Skyrim

It no longer works TODD

Actually, i think it would be better recieved if they had made like 20 interesting planets instead of 200 dogshit pointless ones.

I still want to play it. But I’m sorry I know it’s petty but space is my favorite genre and all i want is to get in my ship and take off. The fact I can’t do that really bothers me I know it’s petty but I’d rather play no man sky to me it’s a better game overall

This is the hardest cope I have ever heard

“Optimistic and forward thinking”? It’s literally the least in depth Bethesda RPG yet… How can it be optimistic when it was 25 years in the making and they said they rushed the last mission?! That’s not forward thinking that’s just a bad game. Lmao Bethesda dorks are helpless.

I went back and played Fallout 3 and my rose tinted glasses have been shattered. The story? whack. the map? whack. NPC’s? whack. But it still does ALL OF THOSE THINGS BETTER then Starfield. The only way Starfield will be better received in the future is if they remake the ENTIRE game to atleast meet Bethesda’s usual quality and not the quality from 15 years ago. I’ll even say Fallout 76 in THE BETA had more to it and a more in depth story then Starfield. Like seriously people need to stop sucking off Todd it’s getting sad.

Because of Starfield I will never touch a procedurally generated game again. Minecraft is the only good exception I can think of.

I do wish there was a more mature theme to it. We’ll never get a firefly game:(

Imagine Starfield taking notes from Outer Wilds. That would have been awesome.

that bullshit. how they gonna tell me the game is “optimistic” when you can travel the whole galaxy and all you can find is human. no other intelligent life in the universe. just human. you called that optimistic? that is some high level bullshit

I love Starfield. I think it definitely has room for more content, but i love a good 60min walk around a planet to scan 9 fauna 8 flora, 7 resources and 3 traits. Give me like 30 hrs of DLC and a rover and I’m playing this game for years.

Someone is huffing copium.

Starfield is great

What a stupid theory lmao

The weapons are boring and somehow has worse gunplay than Fo4, the legendaries suck, the characters are less memorable, and the exploration is awful. Fo4 was already an amazing game plagued with bethesda style bugs. Starfield isnt.

PS: I was hyped for building your own spaceship but even that was heavily limited

I picked up the outer worlds again after playing Starfield and i enjoy it quite a lot more. I’d recommend it if Starfield wasn’t your thing. It’s on gamepass too.

The game was I pile of 🐕💩.
Unfinished mess with all the Bethesda issue we always see.

Simply Bethesda really sucks. Went back to fallout 4 only to be reminded that crashing happens on a hourly basis 🫠

Cultural zeitgeist. Mf trying so hard to sound smart just to cope about Starfield not being fun.

Literally just Skyrim in space

Building system was nerfed

It’s boring with nothing to do, it’ll never be loved or liked

Nah well holdup the world was boring af too. Thousands of books in TES full lore of man and mer and every point of interest in fallout telling some story about survival in a post apocalypse or how the old world affects things

Starfield is like. We went to space. And theres no aliens. If it had phenomenal characters it could save it but 😴. No way its the same character but from a parallel universe !!!! 😴 💤 Take ayy lmaos from mothership zeta and starfield would be at least twice as interesting. Marvel doctor strange from another dimension! Is not interesting

It just got boring and repetitive. I enjoyed it for maybe 20 hrs and really during the pirate storyline

Had they limited starfield to around 5 diff galaxies instead of a few hundred it wouldn’t been the same emptiness as a fallout game but better. Fallouts visuals get tiresome

Bro star trek is a very humanitarian bright look at the future and people love that shit. Starfield is just boring trash, Thanks to Todd and the shit Creation Engine.

It will always be a trash game

The main thing I was looking forward to starfield was how the animation was going to work.

Nailed it just boring 😴

Your opinions are invalid and you existence a burden

I love starfield despite ALL the failures it does have. And they are mostly mechanical for me. The Game does feel boring after you do the main questlines

Starfield has good moments but terribly boring moments, and is a space game that the space element isn’t used!

Not a culture issue just Bethesda making a meh game again….
Fallout good cause you have solid lore, fun plots, loads of mods!

( wild comment SC good space rpg sim, ED good space rpg sim, NMS good Space RPG, X”series” good space rpg sim.) Starfield ehh it has space but loads of loading scenes, Bethesda rpg so good rpg elements.

To all the Starfield haters out there…. In the next 5 years, the reception towards the game will be generally mucky more positive than it is now. That’s basically the story of F4 as well.

What about the probably quite large group of people who don’t like Starfield but don’t like Fallout 4 either.

Started to play Outer Worlds. Much heavier story wide style of answers in dialogue

1) The commenter’s implicit assumption – that the themes of a video game will inherently influence your enjoyment of the whole experience – is 100% right, and a point that this guy completely missed.

2) Even when our culture cycles back to positivity, Starfield will not be better received because it’s a bad game.

Cynical „Zeitgeist“ in video game culture 2024? What age is this guy living in? Games are more „optimistic“ then ever, everything is just memes, shitty reference-humor ala (did you like these two things?!) fortnite and everything gets more and more pixar-treatment. And Fallout is the same low brow crap (hihi nuka cola, you get it?!). How is it cynical? Games are now like the Oasis in Ready Player One. A true distopian future.

It seems like object persistence is one of the main reasons for the horrendous load times. For the life of me i cant understand why in a game where you could carry 10,000 potatoes on you why they decided to hamper the entire experience so that when you drop those 10,000 potatoes they bounce realistically and then never disappear from the gameworld…like, such a weird line to draw in the realism sand

Starfield is fine for dads and little children. My guess is that is like 90% of the player base. For people that play a lot of games and follow them then it was just a generous 7/10 and when ur bethesdas new ip and u deliver something incredibly mid than its going to seem like a 4/10

…People are going back to play older games, rather than this one.
Because they were designed a bit more completely.

Starfield is like no man’s sky in the sense that if you can’t get back into that imaginative, “I’m an Astronaut” mindset it’s just gonna seem lame walking around with not much to do. If you role-play it’s pretty fun. But even that can get boring after a long time.

Boring after the main quest line, tons of menu navigating and loading screens, and it’s just a big empty sandbox.

Isn’t a big part of Fallout 4 rebuilding the commonwealth and looking to the future?

I love starfield’s game design. fast travel to a spot on a random planet and speed stealth outposts for 48 hours straight. I could play this game until I shit myself and die.

The content in the game is just plain unimaginative and not at all compelling. Bland, cookie cutter level design that makes every location feel small. Multi bajillion dollar space mega corp HQ feels like a dentist office for example. Uninteresting cast of characters. The structure of the game is antiquated and the gameplay loop is unsatisfying and threadbare. There is no saving this game, it has to be redesigned from the ground up and they’re too far up shit creek without a paddle. It’s time to move o from this forgettable mis-step of a game.

Them dam loading screens tho 😅 I had little kid cuss me and swear up and down it would be game of the yea hell I lost a long time friend over it 😤

The engine tho 😅😂😅 their no excuses for that crap the creation engine is outdated since Skyrim 😅😂😅

I hated fallout 4 and loved starfield personally and I’ve tried to enjoy fallout 4 but can’t I’ve heard new Vegas is better but haven’t gotten around to it

Ooh, that Temple of Light theme is hitting me right now.

How is there gonna be a Bethesda game in space where you have your own spaceship but you can’t even fly it around and control it and there’s no space battles and random encounters with space pirates.

Gameplay and game design was boring

Richard heog is goddamn brain damaged from getting skull fucked by shitter devs that can care less about the game and higher ups who dont even know what their developing

Theme is cool. The game is boring as heck though

Nah I mean everything about it was lame to mean I mean realistic space exploration bro fallout is post nuclear war and elder scrolls is medieval fantasy with deep lore

Whoever made that article is clearly delusional and typical with people who write articles know nothing about what they are writing about

The premise is Starfield is genuinely on par with Fallout. Starfield is just not fun. It has a deeply flawed gameplay cycle

Xbox fans literally say “you don’t know it yet , but your kids are gona love it “

the mental coping gymnastics sure is interesting

It’s a video game, not a book. It still needs to be fun to play😂

The engine isn’t made for space games. It was made for games the size of Skyrim and Fallout where there’s a mostly handcrafted world and *some* procedural content.

Hahahahahahaha I remember before the game came out everyone was saying the modders will make it amazing the modders will make it a limitless game. The modders will fill up the 1000 planets empty 💀 How’d that work out? Game is trash and Bethesda fans are coping hard like always.

Wait so after 20 hours it gets boring. But then they say you have to give it 10-15 hours before it gets good. So there’s a window of 5-10 hours where the game “isn’t so bad”?

20 to 30 hours? I made it to about 3 before I uninstalled it and never looked back. Just trying to do some friggin sidequests in the city required endless walking.
And then I realised that most of the space travel will just be clicking fast travel on a map and waiting out a load screen, just so you can raid “generic space base asset xyz”. At that point i was just kinda done.

If we’re going to talk about a cynical dystopia, Fallout 4 is not it. New Vegas was much better. Starfield was hot garbage and Bethesda can barely put out a game let alone one that functions on day one.

When culture cycles around? Hmm you mean when they patch the crap out of it and make it a totally different game?

A poor quality/poorly designed game will never be well received.

Biggest issue that starfield had was that it was painfully mediocre for a bethesda game. Nothing was standing out much and they clearly didnt read their audience

Starfield is extremely sterile and apolitical. Even if the gameplay was flawless it would still be boring and uninteresting for me.

Starfield is boring. Load scene, spaceship, load screen, land on planet, load screen, run around empty planet with no map or vehicle. Shoot some people, get a few resources. Long run back to ship. Load screen, space, load screen, next planet, load screen….

Bethesda is just that one company that will always have defenders and coping fans who play all their games no matter what. Honesty I’m surprised so many have turned on them over the last 10 years to see reality

This is such an off base take from Richard. Fallout has a conflict or roleplaying event, every 30 feet. Not one moon rock every 30 feet.

What the hell ? Its not a theme issue at all… is just the game is a okay game thats ot but nowhere near how they really painted the picture and basically killed the best thing of bethesda games the exploration

The game had the blandest companions with identical beliefs

And it was just mid. Not bad, but nothing that makes you want to come back

It’s not the theme. It’s the fact that this game gets boring as fuck like 10 hours in , not even. But keep coping ig

Fallout and starfield both are boring

I also expect Starfield to be better received in the future, not because of that though, that’s kinda stupid

Man. I just want more fallout new Vegas.

The loading screen killed it for me, after playing cyberpunk and even red dead redemption 2. The loading was just annoying

Bethesda fanboys make the craziest reaches to defend that pile of shit 🤣🤣

“fan theory” and it’s a console warrior

gonna play no man’s sky again

Absolutely yapping

It’s only foward fscing because it’s in space, Fallout has the aesthetics from.before the bombs and an apocolypsr. Like that’s the only way it fits the argument, the main issue is that Starfield isn’t good. It spread itself too thin.

Bethesda removing their bread and butter, fantastic world design, meaningful exploration and the fact that you can travel the entire distance in real time from A-B just highlighted everything they’re mediocre or downright bad at. Skyrim, fallout 4 and 76 is hardly any better in it’s quests and writing, they have the advantage of an established universe sure, but with what’s in the games if you could only fast travel everywhere they’d be cacapoopoo

The cope on this is real lol

Starfield isn’t like Disneys Treasure Plant, meaning that it found a massive following years later. It just boring. And having a few years pass won’t make it less boring.

People still pretending starfield is some hidden masterpiece 😂

This is what happens when you are looking for something in the distance but can’t see in front of you.

A lot of people dont have much to say about the story because they didnt get that far into it before being turned off by some mechanic issue.

Don’t forget the shit story and the boring characters.

Take all the updates and better graphics. Then put that in a fallout game. Starfield was fun, but empty. I played it for 2 days. And just kinda lost interest in it. The same way outer worlds tried. It was ok but 30 hours gameplay tops and didn’t feel replay-able. Stick to a story people like and want. There is a reason 65 million people watched fallout. There is a reason fallout 3 sold 12 million copies and NV sold 11.75 million.

I was super excited for starfield, but BG3 came out first and gave me the chance to see that there wasn’t really anything interesting to do in starfield

Nah. Its just a bad game.

Hey i like No Mans Sky, sure there are plenty of faults but at least it’s not barren.
I found an actual stargate, battled frigates and flew through black holes and so much more.

Starfield is on the cusp of being truly fantastic but it’s no where near complete yet.

Starfield bunked it because it wasn’t as rich and full as elder scrolls and fallout.

It was so boring . After the Mass effect series I was hopeful this would be uncharted territory . A vast vacuume of spacious nothing and repetition.Fallout was so rich with lore and interesting design .

Bro is coping so hard I’ve never heard anyone mention the themes of the game

Stanfield didn’t work coz it wasn’t even as good as a fallout in space would be

Richard Hoeg should stick to law.

lol imagine your game flopping and saying it’s the consumer’s fault

It’s the no it’s the children that are wrong meme come to life

I only played for the ship building, and a few missions here and there. Never felt the urge to go back

Starfield is just too mediocre, its not bad enough or good enough to get a wave of “worst/best games ever” or “why is X actually Y” vids in 5 years time

How in gods name was this the reason they came up with for the failure of Starfield?

The only thing Fallout has going for it currently is a modding community and the mods are what keep it alive. As far as the base game goes and all of its flaws. Very few look fondly on anything that isn’t 1-2 & New Vegas. 3&4 have aged like milk without mods at this point.

No haha

The reception of this game is just getting worse as time goes forward. 😂

If you want a good, Bethesda style space game go play Outer Worlds, the original. Or if you just want a good space themed game, Mass Effect trilogy.

culture aint fixing the dumbest maps

It‘s simply a giga boring game. Fallout has an edge to it you don’t need a special Zeitgeist for that to be based and fun. We will never have a Zeitgeist were boring is good lol. In Morrowind you could levitate and jump hundrets of meters high and get to super speeds, creating your own spells and that in a 20 year old game. Modern games don’t even have fun and exciting mechanics like that anymore since forever. In fact modern games are literally usually a downgrade in gameplay and mechanics for graphics sake. Im sure people would enjoy the hell out of a game with crazy mechanics and possibilities like Morrowind in a living and breathing world like Red Dead 2 that would be a hell of an rpg but we are just getting dry and boring games that are just graphically impressive but otherwise boring and repetitive.

Leave it to apologists to blame the costumer for games failure and not the product.

Yeah…in the future this boring, outdated, generic game will he a masterpeice! Jfc.

20-30 hours? I got through the tutorial and could tell id hate the mechanics of that game if i kept playing

Starfields biggest flaw imho is the lackluster and uninspiring writing. It’s just boring.

One of the very very few games I purchased with my own money and could never finish was Starfield. After about 25 hours or so, I shut it off and never put it on again.

I had a gaming addiction but due to industry churning out such trash for soo long, I have been cured.
I would rather play a game like mass affect than I would starfield or other empty nonsense made today

Does anyone else feel like bethesda burned alot of bridges with fallout 76?

I lost all faith in them and the game industry as a whole when that while thing happened

Yes. This idea is completely wrong. Starfield is not optimistic. It’s another fallout game. Earth is dead. The new cities are tiny villages and every planet is strewn with abandoned facilities full of corpses. There’s no way the UC and Freestar populations could support so many abandoned, decaying facilities and dead technicians and settlers.

Starfield would have been decent if the planets were as filled as the Fallout world. Nobody want to play an empty game, especially in a RPG.

Meanwhile I’m at 400 plus hours and still on my same character. I don’t get bored because of the new game plus. What I hate about the game is the bugs the completely ruin my runs like when it thinks I’m always on a ice planet and I get severe frost bite in Atlantis or when my ships shields are 400 when it should be 1600

Ah yes, the theme of the game is why people complained so much about boring and empty worlds and janky gameplay mechanics… yeah sure bub…

Ahh yes, it’s the old overly thought-out answer to a problem that doesn’t exist excuse. Smart. Very smart.

Between clunky menus, poor skill tree design, and the empty repetitive exploration, SF just isn’t that much fun. I call it “the game that lets you explore 1000 planets, if planets were loading screens”..

I think it has potential. I’m playing right now for the first time. I tried when it came out and wasn’t feeling it. This time around I’m doing my best to power through it and I hope that when the update comes to Xbox I’ll enjoy it more. I actually want to like the game and hope it gets better.

We got trash culture today, the kind that enjoy literal trash and litter

Starfeild was literally unplayable on my PC and its not a weak computer

Fallout 4: Has a ton of unique caves you can discover and even find an alien hiding in one.

Starfield: The same boring cave procedurally generated over and over again

It needed aliens that can talk different races etc felt like if Elon musk a space game very serious in a lot of ways

Humans just bore me in space games

Optimistic themes? What another multiverse plot to hide bad writing lol

Gameplay >> Story/Themes. Doesn’t mean story isn’t important, but I’ll compromise my values for a good game.
Edit: Id just like to say YouTube is glitching out and i have no idea what video this comment will go to.

if you played the main story, you’d be really hard-pressed to still see Starfield as optimistic when you find out HOW they achieved FTL travel and what it cost everyone. Starfield isn’t as optimistic as that guy makes it out to be.

Optimistic themes in Starfield? Really? Did the person even play it? Spoilers:

Most side missions revolve around corruption in some form and human life is expendable to someone, somewhere. The main story is the same and there death left and right. The ending is “Leave it all behind and experience it again.” It’s just the story is so open ended and goofy acting that you are not allowed to see the ramifications of the deaths and corruption.

People demanded more realism than fallout and got it, then blamed bethesda for realism being boring. If you really went in to space youre just going to experience barren wasteland after barren wasteland.

Such major cope😂 he cant except that its bad😂😂

Games are supposed to get more fun as you unlock levels and abilities. It got less fun. Everything including yourself turns into a bullet sponge. It greatly breaks immersion when you empty 50 bullets into a basic pirate before it dies. Make the game actually dangerous, and the game’s fun factor escalates to incredible degrees

People want to make all kind of theories of why the game didn’t work when it’s so stupid and simple.

The game has the Bethesda formula but in space, except the world is unimaginative, the exploration mechanics are non-existent, the graphics look on par for a 2010 game, and it came during a time when nobody really asked for it and just want elder scrolls.

Pair that with the fact that a game like No Man’s Sky exists, the epidemy of what this game wants to mechanically be, and you have to wonder why on earth anyone would actually download and play Starfield. The answer would be a good thrilling narrative, which Starfield doesnt have.

What a weird way to come out of the closet

I had more fun playing atomic heart than I did starfield and that game was riddled with bugs. To be fair atomic heart was a better game in general for me.

I cannot fathom how we are two generations deep into Bethesda’s Rot Arc, and there’s still this much cope for
Starfield.
Unbelievable.

The game is too segmented to be fun

For me it was the loading screens, I felt I spent more time waiting to play than I actually got to play. Also the stealth gameplay is terrible. I maxed that out first and got armor for stealth but enemies can detect me through walls and instantly know where I am. Until they fix that starfield is still a disappointment in my eyes

You cant even build without a insane amount of work

Starfield comes out everyone starts playing new vegas again 😂

Yeah that dude completely missed why Starfield is not well received. Its the game itself, nothing to do with themes

The video of dude live streaming and falling asleep between planets in his gaming chair was enough for me to know it wasn’t for me 🤷🏻‍♂️

Its not even fishbowls
Those bowls are bigger than Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Skyrims map(assuming its flat)

Those bowls the size of entire game worlds had 3 points of interest and nothing to stumble upon when exploring the planet.

No talking dog, assassin, thief, daedric enemies, dragons, raiders, super mutants etc.

No weird NPC speaking about something that gets you into a ruin finding a unique weapon, armour

I know I loved Starfield I got all the achievements and the only thing I’m waiting for is official mod support on console. I think a lot of people who don’t like it are from two camps 1. PlayStation hater camp who will repeat YouTuber talking points. 2 there is a section of Bethesda fan who is still salty about fallout 76 and will just whine about any game or show that isn’t fallout new Vegas and will cry bitch and moan like some Karen support group.

Yeah lol people are going to turn on starfield once they realize how amazing the story is 🤣

Anyone who says Starfield is optimistic, clearly didn’t finish the game. The entire point of the game is that nothing you do matters, decisions are ultimately irrelevant, and the only point of existence is to become as powerful as possible to extend your own existence for as long as possible. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I love how people complain about space being empty that’s why it’s called space

I mean… it’s not a theme issue… it’s a game design issue.

It’s empty and full of loading in a generation marketed around reducing load times. And their excuse was basically “Why would anything be in space? What are we? Some kind of Game Developer?”

I really loved walking 10 minutes across empty landscapes to get to copy and paste mining complex number 1

Wow that is a dumb argument, I managed to play 188 hours of starfield and I can say without a doubt it the most empty boring lifeless BGS game I’ve ever played, 90% of the planets are rocks and the same copy paste location over and over, it’s just blatant poor game design, they should have focused on 10 or so planets and made them full and expansive so you never had to walk for what felt like hours to reach the next location.

Starfield just did nothing to wow people, I played it on Gamepass and I felt it wasted my time. 12 hours I won’t get back lol