A lot of the gripes are because they set our expectations so high. The way they talked about it, the stuff they said about it. They really did make it seem like a finished, single player version of star citizen. What we got, was a single player version of star citizen in its current unfinished state that does not look as good with no mans sky sprinkled in.

It’s like the typical blue collar Dad saying “When I was a kid all we had to play with was rocks and we still haf fun”.

A better approach to this would have the elements that you can get off each planet design, the flora and fauna of each planet procedurally it would be a lot more interesting to know that a planet is heavy in iron so you know that if something has an iron shell on it, and is hostile to you that you need to be well prepared

At first I thought it was just a random comment on reddit or in chat. Then I realized it was official Bethesda 😂 Also first time I have to accept community rules to comment. Love that ❤

Gotta agree. It’s alright to fail, nothing wrong with that as long as you take it as a learning experience.

Kind of a temporary take, imo. In all likelihood it’ll only be, at most, 15-30 years and all the sudden this kind of design feature/intention will be hailed as “genius experiential retrofuturist worldbuilding”.

That’s almost certainly AI, right?

They could have just not put empty planets into the game.

Let us have a rover so at least it doesn’t take 12 painful minutes of the players life going to the point on the other side of the map

I enjoyed Starfield…. when I was doing major questlines.

I was hoping I was going to stumble into a big storyline by checking out every single star system and the most interesting bits were the derelict ships. The planets held no interest to me cause you couldn’t even build an outpost without it being a finnicky mess. Let alone the fact that New Game+ means that you don’t keep a lot of the stuff you worked really hard for.

you can have barren planets just use those for resourses mining etc. but the fact the few planets that had life and stuff also had all the resourses you needed kinda made the barren planets pointless.

“People who went to the moon they weren’t bored!” that little walk on chair. I felt it was Peter Griffin saying it lmao.

Also they weren’t bored because they were on the FUCKING moon … They were actually in a moon in space and not on a couch

but the thing is, Bethesda DID NOT TRY though. they keep doing the same exact shit over and over but with a new paint job.

It’s a false equivalency. They were being paid for a mission to the moon, to collect samples, take pictures and plant the flag and leave. They had a mission to advance humanity, and all on board were certified astronauts and scientists. Bethesda, you made a game, not a research project. Your issue is you made the game /too/ realistic and made it as empty and uninhabited as real space. It’s a game, all you had to do was the opposite.

The moon wasn’t empty though. It was the first time, there where a bunch of things to do there. Collect samples, preform some tests, figure out how to move in a low g environment, limited environmental analysis ,etc. You can’t do any of that in the game soooo…

‘It was like this in real life!’

Cool, I’m playing a videogame about fucking around in an imaginary space future.

Has he seen internet historians video on fallout 76? I feel like he would have multiple aneurisms

Idk, people complained about realism in Stanfield, but then complain about empty planets which is realistic. It is 100% boring tho, I just didn’t understand people holding both those arguments.

Come on Bethesda what a let down!

I would also argue that there wasn’t “nothing” on the damn moon, lol. Yes I’m sure if NASA was banking on an amusement park or something being up there, they were probably pretty bummed. But since they were up there looking for scientific opportunity (and patriotic mic drops), turns out the moon was PACKED, lol

Bethesda be disappointing this decade. Here’s hoping TES 6 ends up doing okay. They’ve been having a shitty record lately so hope to God it ends with TES 6

I wasn’t looking at the screen and I thought this was a dumb Twitter post… I’m not surprised it was Bethesda lmao

I’ve put like 250 hours in the game, I love it for what it is but some things could’ve been better. I don’t even want to play it anymore and I never really became that way even with something like fallout 4. Something is just missing with that game.

As a Bethesda fanboy I 100% agree. I liked starfield but shit was lacking

“The planets are meant to encourage the community tobadd their own creative ideas to the game.”
Or they are meant to be moders’s playground

The fact that they thought astronauts were _bored_ or had _nothing to do_ on the moon shows such extreme ignorance I half expect them to believe in moon landing conspiracy theories secretly.
Every single minute of Apollo missions, from launch to splashdown, was busy as fuck for everyone in the crew. Just keeping the spacecraft running was a handful, let alone all the scientific experiments they tried to squeeze in the few hours they spent on the moon.

Hello Games had the same kind of complains when NMS was released and you know what they did? *They fixed it*

The guns are downright some of the worst design I’ve ever seen in a AAA title. Animations and design are horrible through out the game. The empty planets aren’t even the biggest flaw by far

They could have chosen to highlight other aspects, more … _art photography like how Red Dead and even Skyrim once worked as an idle screen or scenic view_

“Do you guys not have phones?”

I feel like developers at big name companies “can do no wrong” like when Treyarch released the first map pack for cold war it had a bug that would brick my (and many others’) Ps4 pro. You make a support ticket or go to the forum and their response was “there’s no issue with our coding, it is a hardware problem on your end. ” fast forward to when I get a ps5 and low and behold same crashing issues on the same map. But don’t forget guys their coding is perfect!

They compared playing a video game to actually landing on the moon lmao

Bethesda repeatedly confirms themselves as the lowest performing AAA company, quantity over quality, combining Creation Club with the Mod Store messing up peoples mod lists just to appease shareholders by saying “Look! We’re doing this thing that will generate more money and lose us more community trust!”

– your planets are empty Beth.
– NO, Uh- we um purposely made them empty because the moon was empty! You’re wrong, we’re right
– But…
– Shut up

It was just boring, plain and simple

In their defense I do understand that point. Even if humanity achieved space travel and colonized other planets, it wouldn’t be every single one. Yes the game has its flaws, but honestly, empty planets make sense, I haven’t played it personally. But it’d definitely be a good feature to have the information of a planet, like next to the name inform you whether it’s colonized/populated so people don’t stumble into empty planets randomly and those that do want even if just to look for a minute can know as well

“That’s not boring” Speech 100

Todd Howard: “It just works, and it’s just fun. Give me money, peasants.”

“Why is no one having fun? I specifically requested it” – starfield PR probably

Why not just say: “There are empty planets because that is realistic”. I’m sure there are plenty of planets in reality that are nearly perfectly spherical dusty rocks. It’s going to be disappointing and boring if you land on one and where hoping to find loot or quests.

also the moon wasn’t empty it was full of regolith and types of rocks and dust and geological formations that we’ve never seen before on Earth. when a game planet is empty it’s literally empty lol

They should of said it was a design choice to add a sense of realism to the sci fi world we are in. Then used the fact that most planets are infact barren lol

Makes me think of the “do you guys not have phones” comment lol

What annoys me about that is they’re seriously comparing fiction to reality.

It wouldn’t be such an issue if maybe we were gathering some sort of science resource besides xp, the empty planets should have had special research posts

I feel like a really easy out is to just say “it’s for players who want a sandbox or canvas to build on. Plenty of worlds, plenty of potential for experimenting and having.

PR Training disappeared with the rest of the talent layoffs are a bitch.

Some of these are by design so they can update a DLC and change it later.

That somehow isnt my issue with this game, its the fucking fetch quests. It is the worrrrssst of all time. Why do i have to go thru 3 systems just to get a fucking comic book?

“”Some(most) of Starfields planets are meant to be ignored, by design”

I played it like a linear storytelling game and had a lot of fun. Had I did what I wanted and explored I’m certain I would have quit early on.

the moon also isn’t a planet

Reminds me of that quote “Fun isn’t realism, it’s reinforcement” by Gabe Newell iirc

1700 Planets and Some are empty how can you cry about that

Imagine the gall to compare your shitty game to the goddamn moon landing lmao

“We don’t understand, you liked Skyrim a decade ago, why don’t you like Skyrim in space?”

Can I find a recording of the full stream that clip came from somewhere?

I get it, they thought hey let’s let it be somewhat realistic with empty planets, but Thor is right, that doesn’t translate to games, they can fix this by adding quests for you to populate those planets through factions, or slowly patch in evolving cities (outpost>city>main hub). They got time to fix this though.

You’d think they would’ve at least make some random generated system that would put something in those empty planets. I mean No Mans Sky did this, it was not the most perfect system, but at least it’s something.

We haven’t been to the moon in decades for the same reason I haven’t touched Bethesda games since the first 3 hours of Skyrim. It’s a whole lot of nothing, well maybe Bethesda can keep you entertained for a bit with the bugs and exploits but those are same from game to game too.

How the fuck did they do so good with skyrim and older games but not the new ones

If Buzz Aldrin had been to 70 moons and 5 were empty hed say that at least 5 were boring.

Bethesda PR strikes again😂😂😂
These guys literally have the worst PR that has ever existed. It’s like they designed their PR department with the Creation Engine🤣🤣💀💀💀

There was nothing in the moon?! THERE WAS A WHOLE ASS FUCKING MOON.

A place once thought as unreachable that no human had ever been before. Plus, astronauts weren’t there “for fun”.

If i wanted empty planets I’d play Elite Dangerous. At least then i can land my ship anywhere* and get out in a vehicle and drive around anywhere in the galaxy.

Starfield will get cyber punked and will have updates over the course of a few years to make the game what it should’ve been. I’ll buy this game when it’s on sale for 5$ on a Bethesda game sale in 3 years

I mean you’re arguing the point. They are just for surveys

“There is nothing there!” A good dev “… yet” dlc releases

Bethesda’s PR training is in the exact same place as their QC testing.

If you could go to empty planets where physics changed and you could do things with those physics then it might be fun. Even the asyronauts got to skip around in slowmo

I’m a 120 year old man i’ve truly not been so emotionally shook ever since beethoven played his last piece. I truly now know what it means to be a vamp. Thank you Playboi Carti

I’ve had some of the most fun on that game on those empty planets and moons. Jumping around in minimal G never gets old, exploring for miles and gaining XP is fantastic, being able to easily find resources is superb

actually the first visit no one was a “scientist” an very little or no science was done. It wasn’t till 17 that first any only scientist ever visited the moon. the others were more like movers putting stuff on the moon so people could do experiments back on earth.

That’s bad design even the moon has resources to provide planets with absolutely nothing isn’t even realistic?

?? they weren’t bored because they were ON THE MOON, not sitting in front of a computer

The astronauts weren’t bored because what they were doing was insanely dangerous. Playing a video game is not.

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Thank you for saying this THOR!!!

It wasn’t boring because it was real life. Empty fantasy worlds are boring because they’re supposed to be more fantastical than reality. Imagine sniffing your own gas so hard that you forget what genre your game is.

Earth in starfield is entirely barren! Except for Detroit, it still looks the same.😂

daaaammn! I thought bungie had the market cornered on the most tone deaf community responses but apparently bethesda won’t be going down without a fight lol

Show them the TV Show Called “Fo all man kind” that scene where they go nuts from being bored. That was my experience playing starfield. Ecumbered 💀

it’s not boring, you’re just playing it wrong

I enjoyed starfield for about a week until it was just agonizingly boring to play

Bethesda has a specific kind of mental formula for the player to follow, the player must meditate and imagine an amazing game while Bethesda provides the quiet, empty space that is required

This was written by Todd Howard himself on a sock puppet account as he was trying desperately to hold back tears

Really tried to compare one of humanity’s greatest advancements to booting up and playing their game.

Nobody asked for empty planets and they gave us over 800 of them but it’s our fault we’re not enjoying it. Classic bethesdur

Bethesda’s planets fatal issue is there no “Heres the interesting locations” and instead they’re randomly generated, and if there is anything secret you’d have to land at some exact spot.

Star Citizen’s planets/moons have a reason to actually to explore, mining a rock that’ll give you 200,000, or a cave to get stuff, a abandoned settlement or crashed ship, or just a location that isnt marked. Or just interesting bit of terrain (Though exploring isnt the best and depends on the moon/planet I did find a cool ice gyser on one moon though

This disconnect is the same as when Blizzard announced Diablo Immortal. “You all have cell phones right”, also a jackass take.

He said “Where’s your PR training?” like Bethesda doesn’t train their PRs to be like this

“wheres their pr training?” they got it from the same place blizzard does. “do you guys not have phones?”

Elder scrolls or fallout would be cool

No. There is no excuse for starfield. Apl the excuses like the recent one saying us gamers dontt understand game development and why design decisions are made. Thats underestimating for one cause alot of gamers are big fans and eatch development diaries and such. And for two, their are gamers with personal experience with trying to make their own little games. No bethesda, you not only have lagged behind in what your consumers expect and what other studios are accomplishing but imo you have actually taken a step back from Skyrim and Fallout. You clearly made very poor deaign decisions. And no i was not expecting skyrim in space but i was at least expecting them to have taoen alot of the good mechanics they already had, expand upon them and find a way to incorporate into starfield in a new exciting way. Im hopping that mods will help this game become playable for me because right now im still on the first big city planet and i just cant bring myself to keep plauing. Alot of its small things too like map, navigation feeling way too basic or like im not getting enough info. I dont like the menu and how it feels navigating that. It all adds up to me feeling like im forcing myself to go on. Im so disappointed and worried for future games in rtheir older ips like elder scrolls and fallout.

😂😂😂

That game blows dick anyway so

I mean what he said was ridiculous. But I think he meant a different meaning behind it. They modeled every system or planet after the Goldilocks Zone. So only certain planets in each system would have sustainable life. They were going for a realistic approach but people are to upset to rationalize with that. They explained all of that before the game came out. They even went as far to say that only 10% of planets did have life. Which out of over 1000+ planets is still a lot of planets that have life. This was the most transparent Bethesda has ever been with one of their games and yet people still ridiculed it for the stuff they explained. I mean it’s just gamers being babies at it’s finest. P.S I just wanna say I haven’t put but more than 10 hours of even that into Startfield. So I’m not a Startield enthusiast by any means. But I can appreciate a game embracing as much realism as possible, and for people to completely disregard it because of the realistic feature is just beyond me.

Why is that PR person still trying to sell the shitty exploration angle, when that’s literally the worst part of the game? Starfield’s unpopulated planets are the level design equivalent of their Radiant quest system: the shit nobody likes in any of their games!

I was able to have fun with Starfield because I always played Bethesda games with heavy use of fast travel anyway so I didn’t really have to adapt my play style. Jumping between points of interests and ignoring the boring procedurally generated filler. If you want to have a good time, stay the hell away from any landing site that’s not a settlement or space station. If I had to do PR damage control I’d rather try to sell the idea that having all the hand crafted locations on different planets lets them create a variety of distinct moods and themes the way you couldn’t in TES games where the cities had to be in the same physical region.

I knew when they said 1000 planets it was going to be a shitty gimmick

Thor has obviously never heard about the Fallout 76 PR disaster.

that sounds like a boomer back in my day…we didn’t need content on other planets we were busy getting rid of the ozone layer

They weren’t bored because they were real humans standing on the actual fucking moon

How about the fact that dialog is way more flawed. I swear every other AAA game out there has better story dialog options. If my exploration triggers a companion to comment on a storyline choice I DIDN’T make that’s just lazy.

Modular auto generated Bullshit, that is not filled smartly and as well as it coupd be
Just accept that it’s boring and meh, it was a nice experiment

Want real proper content?

Elden Ring, sure it’s not huge as hell as your game, but it’s BIG enough, but filled with amazing stiuff and every meter is handcrafted with care and doesn’t scream auto generated bullshit

Yea they weren’t bored because they had gone somewhere noone else had ever been, and one wrong move would have killed them!!!

The problem is that most game creators try to cater to the non average player instead of the enjoyer.

By the way when I see piratesoftware altogether my brain sees it as ‘pirates of tware’. So now I can’t unsee that you’re Pirates of Tupperware.

They are comparing real life to a video game. The logic is that of a mosquito with downs 😂

As a diehard bethesda fan, starfield let me down, it feels a mile wide and an inch deep

wow its like you didn’t pay any attention to Bethesda, they said that the worlds are empty because those planets are for the modders.

They weren’t bored cause they were LITERALLY ON THE FUCKING MOON. I’m at my computer desk in my sweats. Do you see the difference Bethesda?

Yeah when I seen this logic I knew they were past their prime. Starfield is a pile of steaming dog shit. Worse space game I’ve ever played, damn sure the worst Bethesda game minus red fall

The astronauts had a great time on the moon despite it being empty was because they were on the actual fucking moon instead of a bland Bethesda loading screen box

“It’s like Kerbal Space Program” is a bad argument here

Hey, you know what they say “it just works”

I’ve loved Bethesda for a long time, I grew up with Fallout 3 and was so hyped for Fallout 4. 4 wasn’t fantastic, but it was enjoyable and that hype was real for 76 as well and I kind of liked the beta because I could feel some sort of way in that beginning section reading all the notes and shit then the game released in such a buggy state that I couldn’t play it because I hate graphical bugs and they genuinely freak me out. 76 ruined my faith in Bethesda, and I haven’t liked them the same since. I was truly hoping Starfield would be good, and it’s okay, but I was hoping 76 would have humbled them, but it didn’t, so while I’ll keep an eye out in the future, they’ll never reach the same heights of opinion they had in my mind that they had back in 2014.

“You want a good game? Pay us a shit ton of money, and pray we make a mediocre game with lots of bu..I mean features.”

How many planets have nothing?

Weirdest defense ever. Pretend you’re an astronaut from the 50 and 60s and just have fun with science!!!

Who wants to tell him we aren’t astronauts or scientists and we’re playing a video game for fun…..

Unreal response

It’s not okay. Upgrade your fucking game engine, Bethesda. What a sorry piece of game………

Could they not just come out and true or not, claim they left things empty so modders could build their own worlds?

Anyone notice how small Fallout 4’s map is compared to previous installments? Bethesda just did the same but scattered locations across multiple planets.

Wheres your Pr Training. My brain be like.. Nothing is Nothing.. empty is empty.. RIP someone not getting.. if it has no use in a game.. its booooring. One screenshot later.. back to reality

If they gave you the ability to take samples from those empty planets I don’t think it would be as boring. I’ve never played the game myself but I do agree having something to do on a planet and not have it be entirely empty is the better move but if it’s going to be empty at least give people something to do.

No Man’s Sky Pt. 2: Electric Boogaloo

The astronauts were actually in the Moon too. Wtf is that reason

Don’t worry, Bethesda. I as well am boring by design 😔

While I see the reason in the “Design” descission, I also see that it’s boring. Not every planet has to be brimming with life, not every planet has to have something to do on them, but… It’s still boring to stumble upon an empty planet. It’s just a hint of realism, most olanets out there are “empty” in the sense that there won’t be anything to do for a main character like in Starfield. A scientist would have a lot of fun on most planets, even if they won’t find shit there – it’s still new information about that planet. But again, there’s nothing to do for a MC. A software engineer also has nothing to do in a restaurant kitchen, he can’t do his thing there, but for a chef it’s the right place to be.

Games <> Reality
I know that’s a shock to some lol

It’s not interesting, it’s just bad game design

man TESVI is not going to be good is it….

Bethesda saw the Windows XP wallpaper and said “Hold my budget”

same vibe as “Don’t you guys have phones?”

I enjoyed starfield just about everything about it and I’m a die hard Bethesda fan the response is fucked yes but I found a lot of benefit in resource building on those empty planets

It is bad game design, and is why i refuse to play open world games. I do not enjoy walking around 5 plus minutes with nothing going on in a video game. I felt this first at skyrim, and never bought another open world game. A big empty world is bot worth any money, infact you are just wasting my time.

Reminds me of Blizzard. You guys don’t have 📱?

There’s a huge difference between literally going to the moon through human engineering and a fucking game

Empty planets are understandable. I always felt the level of which humanity fills space in a lot is scifi setting is not reasonable. It took us forever to grow to the point of population we have here on earth and it is a box of sorts. Imagine that box spilled of into a large room and the destroy some because space is a murderer. I get people not liking it and feeling they could gave done better.
Personally the emptiness makes it easier to decide where to build bases. The instanced locations are actually only a majority instanced seeing as landscape is actually relatively consistent save for some marked locations in them. Why else would I be able to find the same sixtuple resource spot that someone else pointed out to me on tube? My biggest disappointment is not being able to found a possible city that gets visitors and shit or a full blown damn undersurface base with lackeys/citizens like the Mars settlement. I can deal though.
Their explanation was meh but it is not like we dont see evidence of people trying to spread to each planet in the form of research bases and little abandoned settlements taken over by Crimsons.

Also nobody told you to spend hours walking or packing around a single landing zone. Leave and explore the next or go to the ones that SAY there is something there. Accept hunts and fly off to that Spacer hideout or transport some scientist to an outpost.
But you know whatever does or does not float your boat.😅

I use the higher level empties to ship hunt when me credits is low

Holy fuck, imagine trying to draw comparisons to the moon landing to cope with having a shit space exploration game.

You know, they could have dodged that whole thing by saying, “We left empty planets so that the modding community had a little extra space to work with, allowing the universe to expand organically with the community’s involvement.”

That would have been complete and utter BS, but they would have been celebrated for leaving undeveloped areas that bypass some of the issues early Skyrim mods had with worldspace conflicts.

Instead, they may as well have said, “It’s not empty; you’re empty!”

Glad I didn’t buy Space 76. 😂

That’s the thing, it wouldn’t be boring to have empty planets if those empty planets weren’t flat single textured rocks. If they had actual environments to explore it wouldn’t be boring, even if there was no POIs on it

you know what’s really not boring? riding a rocket from the surface of the planet knowing if there’s any complications, you’ll die. and walking in a suit that’s limited and not on earth for you see it when you look up.

not sat at a computer with a fresh drink at the desk and a working toilet just down the hall.

Bugthesda

Their PR training was procedurally generated.

I thought by empty he meant as in no NPCs or animals… Apparently there’s even less? Wtf. Also, yeah there are planets with nothing on them, but there are also planets covered with constant storms. I dunno, if I was a dev and wanted to actually put “dead” planets in my game, I’d at least put some kind of secret quest line chaining them together, Easter eggs, or rare resources on those planets to find (say with a long respawn rate or are difficult to get to).

The astronauts didn’t get bored because they were exploring something entirely new in history. Gamers get bored easily because they’re exploring a game, an entertainment piece. Imagine being so full of yourself to compare your video game experience to landing on the actual moon. Unreal. 😂

The astronauts also played golf on the moon! If they gave us golfing equipment maybe we would be less bored but you didn’t give us golfing equipment now did you Bethesda.

Their PR training was spent on “Gaslighting for Dummies”

Bethesda don’t know how to make a game that isn’t buggy. Their games are apparently still running on the same engine they used for Morrowind.

It was also real life. Like a barren planet in real life is much more of an experience than on a video game. Lol.

Haven’t played the game, but even if there was something to be gained from mining an ’empty’ planet or something, that’d be more realistic.

There would be heaps of useful shit on the moon if it could be effectively mined.

Did they go to the moon?

The astronauts who went to the moon didn’t have the ability to go to thousands of other planets from the comfort of their couch in minutes, and, uh, they were ACTUALLY FUCKING THERE.

“We tried it, you didn’t like it, got it!” But instead its “It’s good you morons!” Thank you bethesda <3

Double down culture is a plague. Just own your mistakes, learn, and move on

And this is a prime example of a little thing we like to call “coping”

What bother me more isnt that they made empty planets its that they made the planets explorable… like why spend time on something thats going to be pointless to go on? (I havent played the game, but I know base building is a thing in that game and that could be a reasonable planet for that aspect) Like even if they only took a few hours each, they could of make an extra quest or an extra unique item, heck a different brand of toilet paper that can only be found in so random NPC house is better time spent.

It’s like Todd said with Fallout 4,” It just works!”, it’s a massive lie and we all know it 😂

Such an aristocratic response from bethesda

The smart move here would be to start releasing free updates that add more stuff to the planets, but no, tell the players they’re wrong. That usually works great lmao

You would think by this point Bethesda would be used to having flaws in their games.

I think the life and death stakes of getting to the fkn moon kept them occupied the only stakes I have in going to an unoccupied place in a video game is the 70 dollars you just wasted for a nothing-burger.

“we have a campaign that take over 100 hours to complete” no shit to go through a location to another you have to spend like 10 minutes walking

Bethesda really is out of touch with its playerbase

I think it would make sense that not every planet was inhabited

Bethesda is the greasy, unwashed moose phallus of the gaming industry. It’s moldy and cobweb-filled, like Grandma’s box. They went woke and then stagnated.

I love the realism. There are barely any inhabitable planets out there irl sooooo it’s more real if there are a lot planets with nothing on them except for materials to collect because every planet has materials in it to use. If it’s constant action it wouldn’t be realistic it’ll just be Star Wars.

Its the fact it’s all loading screens

The double down. Bad for you to eat and a bad look for you to do.

I mean… People werent flying to moon to have fun there, they were happy that we have advanced that much to be able to do that. In starfield it doesnt take that much to do the same, so this is not an excuse. If you have boring planets, then bring something else to the gameplay table.

I’m just happy this guy still has his shirt on.

I kinda agree wirh Bethesda

Some guy kind of proved that they were using chatgpt for their replies.

reminder that calling someone a dumbass still counts as engagement so saying ridiculous stuff like this is almost certainly intentional 🙃

“…they weren’t bored on the moon.” BECAUSE THEY WERE ACTUALLY ON THE FUCKING MOON.

Lmao, what a terrible take. Comparing an actual moon walk to a game 😂😂

that is some pure colombian copium.

Boring. I uninstalled after 10 hours. Will wait until they fix it. Such a shame. They should accept, apologise and correct course, not blame haters.

This is similar to when people say “Why are you complaining about X not making sense, when the story has Y thing that is also not explained”. There’s just a fundamental lack of understanding of what a premise is, or what the point of a piece of media is. Starfield isn’t a space sim, it’s supposed to be a lite RPG set in space, having barren planets does not contribute to the sense of worthwhile and satisfying exploration. Barren planets could work in another game, but the context of the game itself makes it so the barren planets detract from the experience.

Asking Bethesda to take accountability is asking for a lot

Tiktok brain of having to have some cool shit on every planet is more weird. Some of that shit just empty. Get over it.

I really enjoyed my play through of Starfield, and I’m excited for the possibility of expansions. Unrelated to that, empty planets are boring af and I don’t believe that they believe other wise. Ego is one hell of a drug

The problem isn’t that some planets are empty, in fact, absolutely no planets are empty. I went to the Moon and did a dungeon their, fast traveled to Akila landing a random spot and found the exact same dungeon

I don’t think Bethesda realizes how far they are up their own asses.

I feel like if they just smushed all of the actual handmade planets into like 1-3 planets and kept it contained to no more than 1 or 2 solar systems then it would’ve retained the scale a lot better (and also fit a lot better with their supposed “NASApunk” aesthetic, as opposed to rocketing to the other side of the galaxy on a whim).

Also as an aside I’d really encourage everyone to check out Rodina, it’s a space dogfighter that actually nails the scale of its planets, with seamless planet-space transitions to boot.

Also… the moon landing happened in real life. If any of us went to the moon or any other barren world for the first time, we would be excited. Maybe a bit disappointed there wasn’t more but like… that pairs to the actual experience. In video games it’s just fast travel to place and oop I’m here. If we fast travel to a place that has nothing, then why bother having it be there I guess?

It is their pr training

Tbf not all planets would be able to support life so theyre not wrong

Maybe its because I am a space person, but I found most of the planets enjoyable. I mean that’s just how space is, its unimaginably vast and most planets are gas giants, ice balls or rocky deserts, being annoyed at that seems silly to me. That said its also silly to expect people to have fun because they said so..

Bethesda thinking the moon missions were effectively pointless would’ve been nice to know before buying their space game

This feels very much like the “don’t you guys have phones” that blizzard pulled

Couldn’t they at least do some sort of copy paste base builder from FO4 on empty planets? They sure make a lot of excuses for releasing what seems like a rushed version of an originally good plan

Nothing wrong with an empty planet if it’s fun. Sometimes I want to moonjump and just chill and sight see but I can’t fucking do that in Starfield because the game refuses to let me pilot a ship or drive a vehicle on the ground to cover large distances.

Again, nothing is wrong with having an empty planet but the game is just not made to be fun.

They weren’t bored…because they were *actually* on the moon… not sitting in their underwear, staring at their reflection in the dark TV as their console renders an empty box.

Games should be fun and not realistic. Valve knew this when making half life. I hate the “we are trying to make this game as realistic as possible” it’s basically saying we are putting useless stuff that is not fun in our game. Welp… that sounds like a fucking waste of time 🤣

When gamer say they want something realistic, it’s a fun realistic not boring realistic

you know ur game failed when No Mans Sky has it beat with whats actual content

I’m sure the advancing part is part of why it was exciting, But it was exciting being on the moon because you were literally in a lower gravity place, literally in a space suit, literally walking around on a new surface that wasn’t the earth.

In video games pressing forward on the walking stick on the moon, is no difference to holding Forward and walking in any video game.

They have drank the Microsoft kool-aid. Nothing they ever do will ever be wrong again, and using Microsoft’s patented technique…they can now fail upwards for the rest of their existence.

By this logic Call of Duty wasn’t fun because real people fought in World War II and it sucked.

You wouldn’t be bored on the moon because you’d be in what is essentially kevlar overalls, a diving helmet, and a fish tank bubbler to recycle your farts into breathable air and if any of the duct tape peeled off you’d die a painful but quick death.
So no, not bored.

See, in theory the whole “some planets are empty” thing IS cool.

But theory and practice tend to be very different in certain aspects

Comparing your game to landing on the moon is CRAZY 🤣

But ppl *were* bored when we went to the moon. that’s why NASA then sent idiot Homer Simpson to the moon. To get more views lol

How many Bethesda devs does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None, they just convince you darkness is by design and not boring because moons have darkness.

Hiking in a beautiful place is fun and exciting. Therefore it is fun to walk endlessly with nothing happening in a video game

Also, how the hell can you compare going into an empty planet in a game vs experiencing the moon IN ACTUAL REAL LIFE? Sure, cause eating food in a game gives you the taste and feel like when eating it IRL too.
What a damn stupid ass comparison. Lmao

Thank god Starfield is getting the criticism it so desperately needs now that the Bethesda slop fans will stop leaping to its defense as if they’re being personally insulted

They’re trying to justify their actions because they fear players assume mega dev companies are supposed to be perfect without these kind of terrible game design ideas just to save on time.

The fact that Pluto caused such a problem says how tense everything is. I blame politics.

I seen so many people making excuses when this game came out…I knew they were deceived…they knew it too.

Asking bethesda to admit theres a problem with their game? Thats like asking rick astley to give you up…

Moon landing was science.
Starfield is a video game.
They surve different purpose kekw

I understand why its mostly empty, to add to the scale, and realism, but they focused so hard on that that they forgot it was meant to be entertaining, so some empty planets while great for resources and all, should have had more stuff. All in hindsight. Because of mod support though, this should be fixable with mods easily.

The people who went to the moon had a BUNCH to do, along with the everpresent danger of DYING.

Space Engineers did it right, why cant you?

“Where is ur pr training” real. But also they were right imo

Kerbal space program and starfield, both have reasonably empty planets but starfield feels empty and unfinished

The moon was the first land outside Earth. In a Starfield universe it would be boring landing on a barren planet. It’s the same thing when you first visit a big city: cool at first as you are exploring but once you move there it becomes less interesting to just wander around.

Bahahah jeeeezzzz the things devs say to cover ass for making dull shit

Responses like theirs is insulting. We’re not fucking dumb.

Some people really like starfield. I got a friend with 200+ hours already. They had 900 in skyrim. The game was a flop but the ones who like it, love it.

Lmao all the bethesda haters going “oo! oo! I get to jump on another “bethesda sucks” train. Grow up 🙄

You could send me to ceres and pick me up later, just let me stand there fore a while and I would not be bored. But in a game? Were this is no acomplishment and was done in other games? Yeah that’s boring

I like the empty quiet planets on NO Man’s Sky. That game advance so much since release & all free updates.

“It just works”

I don’t know – I kind of like the eeriness of the lifeless planets. Paired with the music – I think it’s cool.

Realism is knowing flying through space, which will be 99.99% empty. Rick and Morty made this exact joke.

A lot of boring planets, true. But that’s a lot of space for modders to play with. 😅

One empty planet can be totally fine, because realistically theres gonna be places like that. You could do something interesting to make the emptiness not so boring, tell a cool story or something. But dont make a bunch of empty wastelands and then claim its profound game design when it’s really just lame and lazy. Glad I didn’t waste time playing starfeild I guess.

I mean the easy answer is to warn player that there will be nothing, like Starbound’s “barren” planets. You visit one, get the gist and move on.

I mean some of no man’s sky’s planets are also empty, but that’s not as boring because that’s part of the game loop. It takes minutes or less to fly to a different planet/star system, and each time it’s a gamble of what you’ll find there.

But no man’s sky actually manages to make this fun.

Geez its almost as if going to the fucking real moon in real life is more exciting

Not an L. Makes sense honestly.

they just made a bad game. It’s not a fucking simulator made by NASA, this is a game made to be played. God this game sucks.

Why wouldnt they go with the, “we created spaces for the modding community to have blank canvas’s” angle 😑😑😑

Plus they weren’t bored, because if everything, even the tiniest tiniest thing goes wrong with their ship or spacesuit – they would be dead.
I’d say it’s the opposite of boring.

Players: we’re bored
Bethesda: no you’re not

Bethesda doesn’t really exist anymore. All the talent found better opportunities and it’s just the 3rd string and worse teams left

It was a bad response to something that’s not really an issue. The guy is right, 95% of space is airless empty chunks of rock. The fact that like 1 in 10 planets even has developed life is astronomical. I think the better answer is planets like that are there for sandbox settlement building and worldbuilding (or galaxy building in this case). It makes sense in the setting that you would have a lot of rocky moons. It’s not an L, it just makes me feel like i’m not in Star Wars where every uninhabitable planet is settled. I feel like a lot of people saw No Man’s Sky and wanted Starfield to be triple A that. But that’s not Bethesda’s style. It’s just space Fallout, and sometimes a rock is just a rock. Not every boulder in the Mojave needs a bandit base on it. I would like better random events though, and the game can always be improved.

The moon is empty and it would be boring af once the novelty wore off and you had nothing to do. Also “boring” can be nice when you crossed 300k KM in a tin can that’s strapped to a volcano just so you could descend in a aluminum foil lander. The stuff astronauts had to do took incredible skill and concentration very unlike what it takes to play Bethesda games.

That’s why KSP planets can be empty, the gameplay is in the skill of getting there.

Problem is that gamedevs keep taking out skills (building and flying a rocket) and replace them with “skills” (a numeric indicator that controls what cutscenes/ animations you have access to).

This is probably the best take. I’ve heard the same response many times but this guy said it the best.

They weren’t bored cuz they could die at any moment.

The difference is they ACTUALLY WENT to the moon which is really cool. But this is just looking at some boring ass planet on a screen

“Why do people find walking sims boring? I go for a walk and im not bored.” 🧠

I personally think they left some planets dull so modders can “have at it”.

That is the most unhinged statement ive ever heard. Like dude the moon wouldnt be fun for a gamer, why would I want that replicated in my 70+ dollar purchase?

Like you couldve stuck a hermit on one of those moons as a meme at the very least, or gave reasons why they arent inhabited like you get stuck in a gravity field and get sucked to the empty planet only to find its empty because everyone died here.

Tbh if they make the planet work like no man sky instead of random map generated everytime you land, people will more acceptance even with whole fast travel thing.

Defending the game like this also really bad thing to do where the hell they PR person…

I guess we back to push Bethesda to use new engine again… The limitation just more apparent

Sounds like something WoW would say and that’s an ominous sign

If players did in a video game the stuff astronauts did on the moon, that would also be boring. It would be amazing and exciting to walk on the moon in real life. That would transmit to about 2o Minnie’s fun and then boredom, then frustration as you have to skip everywhere and have your sense of movement restricted to the point of tedium.

sure, empty planets are technically “realistic” and “natural” but who said we wanted that in videogames?

“P-PR training?” – probably a Bethesda employee

If I wanted to see emptiness I’d look into myself instead of playing starfield.

Sounds like some asshole in a comment section lmfao

THIS WAS A COMMENT BY A DEV WHAT THE FUCK

They got paid to go to the moon
By that logic bethesda better start payin up

I saw someone explore a bit of a planet on starfield. It really was boring as hell

its the same as energy as EGS “well steam didnt have a shopping cart when they came out”

They weren’t bored because one wrong move and they were dead.

Also, pretty sure the astronauts spent a lot of time really bored.

That… can’t be the devs real response 🤨…..

They weren’t bored because they were actually on the moon. Not playing a video game in their bedroom. Bethesda is hitting an all-time high in arrogance. Have to wonder how much it has to do with this being THE project for Todd Howard. It’s truly pitiful to witness.

“No, it’s the players that are wrong.”

These dude’s are on something WILD…

Like, the boring planet isn’t the problem, the problem is that boredom isn’t a design choice here, it has no artistic value, it’s boring because they didn’t put anything there

The astronauts didn’t have a fucking loading screen to get to the moon though… What’s more, getting there & landing might have actually been a tiny bit more challenging than walking around on the moon…. You know, the things we CAN’T do.

“just take the L and do something else”. You see how that doesn’t work because it’s Bethesda: they had one good idea and stuck to it for decades, all of this while overselling it and underdeveloping it at the same time.

Getting to an empty planet in Starfield or even Elite Dangerous is NOTHING like getting on the Mun in Kerbal Space Program. There is all an effort, preparation, challenges and solutions to get there in KSP, which is where that argument of the astronauts would be valid and definetly not on Starfield.

Trying to put your game on the same level as one of mankind’s finest achievements is a piece of ego I have never seen before.

“It’s fun. You’re having fun. You are having so much fun right now that you aren’t noticing my critical levels of cope. Wow, that’s a lot of fun.”

I hate Bethesda😅🤦🏻‍♂️ such a shit game company. If only they didn’t take the path they chose.

They’re comparing a game to real life. Lmao. Bethesda, you still need to engage your players because IT’S A GAME!

Yeah but I have to disagree with the”boring” aspect. Relate it to Skyrim or Fallout and what was ever fun about walking from city to city until you get the fast travel network established? I think gamers are so pampered to now they expect 0 problem with any game and create unrealistic expectations

Lots of people drive to work everyday and THATS not boring!… oh wait.. yeah it is! And that’s exactly how Starfield feels like to play!

I’ve never played that game, but I do enjoy seeking out specific planets in Elite Dangerous.

sounds like a teenager in his bedroom getting butt hurt 😂

This is why Baldurs gate won game of the year, the devs listen to the fans, and give us what we want

Going to the moon in a game where you travel to thousands of planets with alien life is not noteworthy. Casting a spell in real life would be incredible, doing it in Skyrim is not.

Imagine coping to the Moon.

The moon landing, a fucking unprecedented spectacle at the time previously thought to be impossible, might not be the same as a futuristic game about going beyond what we could ever explore up until today… But sure, you do you

what do they mean “nothing” on the moon there’s literally so many cool rocks up there!

I love how they compared a video game to one of the most significant events in history

IF I had to fly to those empty planets by ACTUALLY FLYING then it would kinda be okay to find a realistically empty planet.
But it’s two clicks away… ever single one of them is only two clicks away!
There is a reason why people don’t complain about Elite Dangerous planets or Kerbal Space Program.

The only Bethesda game i have truly enjoy was Doom Eternal It was different from the very strict formula they have for making video games there at Bethesda, I don’t know who supervises the games at Bethesda but they need to let them be more creative and learn what works and what doesn’t.

being empty is fine sporatically, as long as your able to explore everywhere and land your ship anywhere that allows landing. If your planet is just pick an area via a menu, that isn’t fun.

They’re weren’t bored cuz they were ACTUALLY on the moon, not staring a screen in my room at a fake planet being empty 😭

The moon wasn’t empty. The moon was covered in rocks that had never before been touched by life, boundless possibilities to discover, and even had we known there was nothing interesting the act of getting there was reward enough. In Starfield not only is there nothing on the planets, getting there is just a push of the button, then wasting minutes wandering around figuring out there’s nothing to do.

I mean, they’re techically right….But yeah, if you have an empty anything in your exploration game, people ain’t gonna wanna engage with it.

Realism doesn’t turmp fun.

Casuals thinking bethesda has released anything good in the past 20 years and that Starfield is an anomaly lmao

Honestly, if they had just had a system to wear you land on a planet, the on board AI can give you information and for empty planets. Say you know, planet is desolate.
Then it wouldn’t be an issue because people would know. The planet is empty without having to spend, however long looking.

when another experienced game dev is calling you out, you definitely are making something wrong

We all know that if every planet had stuff on it then people would call it “unrealistic”.

Some sure
The vast majority no

*elite dangerous players hiding*

If you wanted to make the game realistic it would take years to get to any planet that isnt in the solar system your in if you wanted it to be realistic you would probably die in your first or second gun fight video games ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE REALISTIC your just lazy and trying to make excuses videogames are only realistic when that makes it more fun other than that it only makes as much sense as it has to, to be a well designed game

Bethesda is truly not a good game studio they’ve just been extraordinarily lucky more than once and every time they make a game I cross my fingers that they accidentally did it right

Trying to compare literally landing on the moon to playing starfield… Nice Bethesda pr team, real nice

I can make a completely empty world for me to run around for free in Ue5 why the hell would I pay 70$ for the same experience? Shit, with practice I can add things into said world and it’d be cool because I made it!

If I had a Rover, it would have been 3x as bareable

Its still funny to me people were shilling for Starfield whilst likewise hating on No Man Sky for this exact thing. Claiming that all the worlds in Starfield would be filled to the brim with things to do among otherwise. NMS is exploration focused with a generating engine. That was its sole purpose among otherwise. It achieved that and more. Starfield was meant to be an adventure-esque game in space. It failed that.

Imagine trying to defend bad game design by saying bad game deisgn isn’t boring.

Pirate software fans will give thor every penny he has just to not actually take his advice

You make a great point, if the game had a crafting/research aspect to visiting barren planets it would make going to them much more compelling!!

I was debating getting this game. Glad I watched this. Seems to be a common theme

I think they shouldn’t have made so many planets, it kinda does the opposite effect of exploration for me. I only go there once or twice and never again since there’s not much to do.

Bethesda out here acting like they’re doing real space exploration in their loading screen simulator

Ya and Xbox doesn’t even have a system that will run it properly and they forced use to use cloud gaming like what ur system won’t even run it and ur forcing us to use cloud gaming disgusting so we need to buy a new system twice a year ??? How many Xboxs do u think I’m going to buy that don’t work zero trash company it’s clear now that sales people are designing our video games for profit and only care about the people that are rich

Bruh No man’s sky also had this problem did they not see what happened to them? Take the L, when you have a L

Also, and maybe this is not applicable, but when people went the moon, they weren’t bored cause there was nothing there, THEY WERE WALKING OUTSIDE OF EARTH! can you imagine how insane it would be if you were born during the great depression, and got to test how gravity worked on a natural satellite. THAT’D BE SO COOL

Bethesda’s game design is outdated

‘It just works’

You wait till the next elder scrolls. Skyrim was only just passable.

I warned everyone about 76 and starfield. No one listened. The same is going to happen with elder scrolls.

Its such a shame.

Shout-out to the astronauts that smuggled up clubs and balls and played golf on the moon… Wasn’t to avoid boredom though. It was just for that rebellious spirit and threat of lifetime grounding.

You’re bored? No you’re not! 😂

This whole thing smells like an order that came down from an overpaid jackass in the C-suite.

Wouldn’t surprise me if those responses are AI generated.

You know, Bethesda has a point. I would have way more fun on the moon than playing Starfield.

Tbh when he said “where’s your PR training” i could only think about “do you guys not have phones?”

yeah? well, I could imagine people would be bored on the empty moon if space travel would be readily available to basically everyone. you created this world and chose to make it boring, it is your loss

Transparency and owning things.

Can’t remember the last time Bethesda exhibited either of those.

If you wanna get even more technical… the astronauts might not have been bored, but NASA certainly was. There’s a reason why no one has gone back.

There’s nothing to do. Which is boring.

The planets and moons aren’t even empty, there’s points of uninterest scattered everywhere. The bigger issue is how far apart these are without a proper way to get to them faster and nothing interesting happening on the way (or at the destination). I used console commands to speed up walking for most of the game so I could circumvent at least.

I cannot believe a developer equated their empty planet in a video game to the first humans to set foot on another celestial body. Thats insane.

I’ve played for 227 hours so far and the game has potential but it’s kind of obvious that modders are going to have to fix all the problems because Bethesda is just not going to do it. It’s really messed up that landing on a world it’s just so empty and the outpost building is well it sucks. Of course I currently have 70 mods that I’m using that make the game somewhat less crappy so it’s got lots of problems

I think having empty planets is kind of realistic. Just sucks if you spent time going there lol

😂 death was literally millimeters away from them at every moment. They were in the most hostile environment possible. I’m pretty sure boredom was probably something they left on Earth.

And all the enemy’s just say pirate also they forced us to use cloud gaming and so it won’t even run on my internet there is no way to find objectives and u can only land at certain points the ships are undriveable u might get used to flying them after 1k hours it looks like it was made ten years ago and never finished and u can’t actually enjoy exploring because there is nothing on any of the planets and the loot is trash overall it’s a bad game it’s clear that dudes in there basement with mod software could make a better game in two years than this a game we waited 15 years for sad Bethesda is a washout company like 10 years later we finally get some decent things for skyrim but it all cost and u need this and that and a new Xbox and a hard drive and game pass and u pay for it all trash they literally mad skyrim by accident lol sad we have gone so far backwards now u pay 70 bucks for a game and 25 a month to play it and the game is trash other than graphics and o it’s on unrealistic engine 16 so u need to buy it twice

people went to the moon and werent bored because they were ON THE FUCKING MOON… We are playing a fucking video game here todd.

Kerbal Space Program’s planets are empty, but they aren’t boring because it’s the journey that’s the fun part, not the destination.

Proved to be made with GPTChat…check the other response on bad reviews ….too similar to be man made

Seems to me they should just make the empty planets rich in resources to set outposts on but you know

Bethesda is the worst gaming company with a scam artist at its head. They don’t do anything except publish good games and release dogshit

They are gaslighting us

Astronauts went to the moon knowing the millions on ways they could have died at any second. Yeah, I’d say they weren’t bored!

They weren’t bored, they were DOING A JOB. They were on full effort basically the entire time because not doing it would have led to their deaths!

Ah yes, the classic “You don’t want that either, you think you do, but you don’t.”

In Stanfield, Constellation supposedly explores planets outside the settled systems, yet in-game you never get to make first-contact with a planet.

The planets in Starfield are empty. There are no vehicles nor mounts for planetary travel, so you have to walk (but walk too far and you hit world border).

This almost felt like Bethesda was trying to use the jedi mind trick on us. *Waves hand* You are actually having fun

Comparing a game to a historical moment for humans has gotta be the dumbest thing I’ve seen ☠️😭 obviously they’re two different things 🤦🏽‍♂️

I bet these guys watch porn for the storylinesm

Banthesda with the bants. It just works 😂 but nah its crap lol

To me its crazy how hard theyre on PR for this

This is exactly the kind of attitude I expect now from game company execs.

It’s not bad game design, it’s a feature.

ES6 is gonna be trash isn’t it? Bethesda fell off hard

Its funny because one of the devs also went into a rant about how hard it is to make a game and quote “no one ever sets out to make a bad game on purpose” like dude have you seen cash grab games 💀

With all the replies on bethesda’s different social medias and steam reviews it feels like they want to force people to like the game.

I get what they’re trying to say, it’s possible, but I’d have to experience it for myself to say if they achieved non-boring emptiness or not

Gives off “Do you guys not have phones?” vibes.

Mass effect has empty planets…..but you dont land on them, you just shoot a probe that harvests any resources present.

In their minds it would ruin immersion to not be able to access meaningless planets, but in reality it saves 99% of the people playing from wasting hours.

I think the empty planets are a result of a bigger issue. Elite dangerous has plenty of empty planets.