This pin, will make games great again!

Sad to see such failure… like u look at Baldurs gate 3, that game has 10x the player count still of this game and thats a niche turn based RPG, its hilarious bethesda can’t even get half those numbers let alone 1/10th. Microsoft should fire everyone there, make a new team completely, this todd howard character has no idea what he’s doing, he’s just scamming microsoft at this point with his ultra slow release times and way below quality when they actually come out.

My dumbass paid for Shattered space and still has zero desire to play it.

Lets be real here. Bethesda has been dead sinxs skyrim released. The only reason their games do well is because of the modding community. Not anything Bethesda has done. They have grown lazy and complicit relying on modders do the real work.

Lmao these grifters keeps saying the same worthless stuff and ya’ll eat it up. They are playing you, all of you.

How about dumping the the Creation TURDgine for future games? why they insist so much with that ancient mid 90’s tech to this day? every dev out there seems to be moving to Unreal, EA, Ubi, Activision, Rockstar, CD Projekt and others, but bethesda? nope, just update it!

That engine is so ancient that every time they try to update one their games they break a ton of stuff… just dump it already!

Wow that guy should just ask Todd Howard out on a date.

Being a real gamer has nothing to do with what equipment you have.

Well…. I think Tom Howard needs to release the game to the modding community, go to a monthly to bi monthly update schedule, and then sit back and let modders to what they do best, create the content tom Howard failed to make in the core game. I mean Tom this is what you get with releasing a game that was barely playable on release and was in dire need of bug fixes and additional content.

Bethesda was a smell team for what they made, I don’t know about during 76 and Starfield.

Do any of you know that it was modders that made Bethesda games great
and their old games are still played today.
I still haven’t played the Starfield DLC that I got with the deluxe edition of Starfield
because it looked like garbage well the story anyway, I would have went with House Va’Ruun
starting a renewed UC vs Freestar Ranger war all over again because tensions were still
high between the two factions and as Todd had suggested with the buggy be held back
for the dlc I would give players the ability to pilot mechs from the old war,but that is just me.

Honestly, I’m more hopeful for The Wayward Realms than TES6, and I fully acknowledge that those hopes could be absolutely dashed

I still don’t get the hate for starfield. It’s a fantastic game

Wow, the copium.
I wanted the game to be good too.

When are people going to realize Phil Spencer is also an asshole?

You know, as much as I hate a lot of what Bethesda did with starfield, and it irritates me to no end, I still enjoyed it. Will I be modding it to take out any garbage that I dislike for future playthroughs? As much as Nexus will let me I guess.

Bethesda isn’t even relevant anymore. There last good game was fallout 4 a decade ago.

“I got a lot more positive outlook on the game by only listening to a community where negative opinions on it aren’t allowed”

It’s mean spirited towards the product released not against the devs personally, unless they go online and attack customers first.

Starfield is free on the gamepass, even supports cloud gaming if you’re on the base xbox one like me….ao anyways I’ve been playing Black ops 6 and weirdly enough Anthem. Yea I’d rather go back and play Anthem than boot starfield

The game was originally presented as a new epic adventure, unlike anything we’ve ever seen from Bethesda. That was a lie. It feels more like a weird mod for skyrim or fallout. Its the exact same bethesda game I’ve played for years.
Then its missing features other games already have…. like flying and landing on a planet. Then theres the bugs. Like…something as simple as dialog bugs, showing they didnt even test their own game.

The weight system, vendor system, pointless base building system all feel unfinished. Storage containers the size of a small room only capable of holding slightly more than I weigh. The cop-out of swapping ships and all of your cargo moving. I should be able to leave cargo in my cargo ship and leave my fighter empty. So many shortcuts.

Then theres the buggy which is useless on most planets because running is faster than trying to go around small rocks. The only time i grab it is when I know I’ll l be over-encumbered.
The expansion – the story was ok but theres a huge missed opportunity for new ships, new base parts, etc., and they didnt take it

Does this mean i hate the game? No. It means i had feedback and concerns about the fact that they released a game that wasnt finished.
It was overhyped. I expected a 10/10 and got a 7/10. It didnt leave me disappointed in the game.. it left me disappointed in Bethesda.

The hard part of the Starfield discussion is the US Politics tier “Us vs Them” mentality that’s made fools of both sides, leading to one side blindly cheering for objective failures like 76 and Starfield, while the other blindly hates on the pretty good Fallout 3 and 4. 3 & 4 are not “great” games, but the hate they receive is wildly disproportionate when not founded in outright dishonesty, the worst being the frabkly baffling discussion around Nate/Nora and voiced protagonists.

The devs are lazy for refusing to learn or develop a new game engine instead of sticking to their limited, unstable Creation Engine which isn’t fit for some of Starfield’s features.

The engine was barely updated when they decided to put a 2 at the end for Starfield and the next Elder Scrolls, and they already needed to combine torso and leg armor for the number of NPCs you see on screen at once to be possible. On top of that, just look at how few NPCs they were able to make work for major battles in a civil war.

Their games also tend to be full of bugs that never get patched, meaning you need to wait for modders who work completely for free to make unofficial patches to do what the devs should be getting paid to do. I can understand rough releases with a publisher committing the devs to strict time constraints, but that excuse doesn’t work when the AAA studio gives less attention to their games after that release date than one-man indie studios. I will give them credit for releasing Skyrim Special Edition with some bugs from the 2011 release fixed, but most bugs fixed in the original by unofficial patches still need unofficial patches to fix in Special Edition in spite of the devs having 5 years and a AAA budget to do what a random modder could accomplish in less time with no funds.

It’s not Bethesda who have been too generous. It’s us. Happily throwing 70$ at them every time they unveil their next pile of unfinished garbage code wrapped in tired assets. “Yeah, it’ll be buggy, but we love them for it.”

Do we? Or are we lying to ourselves to justify spending our money on the same boring walking simulator for 20 years?

It’s time to stop feeding a beast we know is going to bite us.

Bethesda is reliable. reliable for pumping out hot garbage and taking like 4 years to polish that turd into a semi half polished turd with flys, then saved by its mod team year after year

This is just negging. Bethesda is acting like an emotionally abusive boyfriend.

I don’t disagree. Starfield is very good. They pushed out huge changes like the carry weight, survival elements, and rover all before the expansion. If it hit with the dlc it would be seen as a cyberpunk large scale change. In this he is correct. It would have changed the narrative and stories would say Starfield is saved.

Can someone please tell me the name of the girl from the thumbnail?

This makes me wanna play Skyrim instead.

Starfield was advertised to be their magnum opus, Bethesda still has not made a game 1/2 as good as new vegas

Lol people like “TES6 is gonna be great tho!”

For sure. Bad graphics, bad animations, EPIC BATTLES with SEVEN CHARACTERS ON SCREEN AT ONCE!
Bethesda makes games that would’ve been great in 2004.

They need to remove 2/3 of the planets they’re COMPLETELY WORTHLESS. Also landing on a random point is also worthless.

If Starfield is soo Good Why the Heck Are You Posting your viewpoint about it on reddit… Shouldn’t you be playing it??????!!!!!

i drove the car once….

Damn those meddling gamers! If they hadn’t honestly looked at us, then we would have gotten away with making crap!

Fromsoft also have around 400 devs

I don’t care about Bethesda anymore. They have the income and time to innovate, but they seem to take steps to downgrade and not improve on what they lack. I love the ips but I don’t want to watch/support them dying.

‘a small team’ of hundreds? Small is Hello Games making No Mans Sky. About twelve people back then, iirc. Even now they have like… what, 60-odd? And they’re STILL making a better game with more things to do. It’s honestly kind of shameful to give Bethesda any kind of excuse for their painfully barren game.

everyone suddenly starts using word “delve” it’s so strange, you all use the AI to write a script for whatever you say?

You know, when it comes to “drivable vehicles in a Bethesda ”’RPG”’,” wouldnt the horses from Oblivion and Skyrim count as that?

Starfield is a mediocre game. After so many years of working on it, mediocre is bad.

I happened upon a few Youtube channels with left leaning folks, critizicing “normal” Youtubers but to them they are far right. Anyway they all used the word grifter and grift. Do they all have a central computer where they get software updates or can they not come up with their own insults? I can believe it’s the latter, since so many words are verboten to them it must be hell coming up with a good insult.

Its amazing how so many of these corporations have made the exact same mistakes and ended up crashing and burning, if not going bankrupt alltogether like Volition.

Yet none of them have a ounce of pattern recognition and just dig in their heels, thinking they are untouchable.

Not just the gaming industry either.
Just look at Jaguar.
Big corporation is run by morons these days.

Starfield is the video game that made me stop playing video games

I bought the ultra expensive version with the DLC. Never reinstalled to play the DLC. The game is simply BORING.

all their custom content does is cause game crashing conflicts. the ‘free’ creation club stuff they dumped into fallout 4 is an example.

buggys and the map shoul’dve been in the game day 1

Starfield was the 2nd worst thing I had this century. The first was open heart surgery.

Starfield was one of the most boring games I’ve ever played. Didn’t get that far before deleting it

So dlc should just be paying for uodates according to them…….and these are the guys xbox fans defend and praise…..clowns , clowns everywhere ya look

lol is that why they gave us the demiog free?

Paid content are updates, what are you talking about😂🤣😂

(Sarcastically Says)

(Can’t believe I have to edit what I said🤦‍♂️)

(People Are Stupid As Hell😂)

I think I’ll just buy actual physical items from now on. All this nonsense is tired. Wake up. It’s just greed $

Just a reminder that dawnguard in skyrim is why you can attack from horseback and make arrows… why you couldn’t do that in the base game idk.

But yeah this game is proving their delusional.

I mean, thye buggy should’ve been there from the start.

Please bring back “Toxic Masculinity.”!!! It’s ZMUCH needed!!!!

As a bethesda fan, they’ve really fallen off with their knockoff no man’s sky. The game took 8 years and was half baked. Hell. Another 8 years and its still gonna be garbage.
I dread the next elder scrolls and
Fallout 5. Though. At least the maps on those will be nice bc they wont be procedurally generated.

“omg i just had a stroke of genius ! you know what our walking simulator needs ? a car !!! that would be amazing !”
~todd howard
(probably)

I was able to play this for free on Game Pass and I still want my money back. Why TF is it rated M on top of that? Its the most PG feeling game I’ve tried.

Yeah, thats either the most prolific shit eater or someone who never played the game paid by Bethesda for their testimony.

Starfield is fundamentally bad that nothing could fix, you go anywhere its a loading screen and once you realize everywhere you go planet or space is just a box with random stuff or encounters you lose any vestige of emersion you had, and the only part of this game that was fairly well done the ship building is completely pointless and lets not forget the stupid story and boring characters…

Time to start lobbying against every move microthesda makes.

I think the thing to remember- the problem with Bethesda isn’t the developers. The problem with Bethesda is “Bethesda Studios.”

Bethesda as a company isn’t just a game development company, they are also a publisher. And publishers are the single biggest issue in the gaming industry right now. Publishers do not see gamers as human beings, but as obstacles between them and the obstacle’s wallet. This is why we’re seeing increasingly toxic monetization, why we’re seeing statements like from the Ubisoft exec that ‘gamer’s reveling in the failure of [whatever the thing was] are “less than human,” and why new AAA games are increasingly less appealing and more of a crapshoot- just buying a new AAA game in 2024 is spinning the gacha, metaphorically speaking, but you really never know what you’re actually going to get.

Developers are being forced to build games around and for monetization. Game’s aren’t made for you to have fun anymore. Games are made to get the publisher your money. As a result, games AREN’T fun anymore. This is exactly why I pretty much only buy indi games these days and avoid AAA games. There’s certain publishers I just outright won’t buy from, no matter how cool the game seems. Bethesda, Ubisoft, EA, and probably other’s I can’t think of right now (Genshin Impact’s publisher, can’t recall name ATM). I don’t support their business practices, so I vote with my wallet.

How about you?

It is unbelievable the amount of channels that hate Bethesda and Starfield in particular. Seriously, go play something else. I have been playing ESO for years non stop. I just downloaded new mods for Skyrim and Starfield. I only play these 3 games. You all sound like an army of bots. I have been playing games for 40 years. This generation will never be satisfied with anything. Like a bunch of little democrats.

I do like starfield I think it was an overall good game. There were some things wrong with it like the fact that the map was always a giant loading screen, and the random generation meant every encounter felt bland. The lack of a rover, and the complaints of engine limitations from the devs like this isn’t a brand new engine built with this game in mind. The fact that space flight was a total joke made the game seem less fun, but the story was good, and building the ships was okay (not quite what I was expecting though) I replayed it to prestige 5.

This needs a lot of noise so the Industry understand and it doesn’t become a habit: You don’t hold back QoL updates on a lackluster game to make DLCs looks better.
What is next? Performance DLCs?

I never buy DLC. It’s just a way to milk customers for every last $.

That was an amazing post actually. It highlighted and explained very thoroughly every single aspect that was good about the game.

Lol, this game is soulless. It doesn’t matter how much content they add. Everyone I’ve talked to who’s played says it feels hollow.

Bethesda hasn’t spoiled us, we’ve spoiled Bethesda.

I lost hope for Bethesda when FO4 came out. My old co-worker got it the day of release, basically took that whole week off, when he came back the next week. I asked if it was good. He said it was, but the storyline was mediocre. He gave me a spoiler free intro into the start of the game. I jokingly said “It’d be a real dumb idea if they ended up making your son the Big Bad Evil Guy.” He stopped and just stared at me. I couldn’t believe it. I had guessed the entire story twist. This is when I realized Bethesda was junk. Fallout76 reaffirmed that, and I know ES6 is gonna continue the trend. IF it ever comes out.

I stopped with Fallout 4. I saw the writing on the wall. Sad to say that I was 100% correct. Failout76 and Starfail are *G A R B A G E* and I’m genuinely afraid the Elder Scrolls 6 will be just as disappointing!

Unfortunately as a huge Bethesda fan I bought the deluxe edition. After 80 hours I uninstalled. And when Sharted Space dropped I didn’t even bother. SF is ass and I have 1000s of hours in Fallout 4, mainly due to mods.

I can’t even bring myself to care about SF, I will just go finish Cyberpunk, which I have about 120 hours in so far and I have just started Phantom Liberty.

Bethesda is over.

It sucks because I love starfield but the devs and Bethesda continue to ruin opportunity.

Bethesda should have just asked Hello Games how to handle content updates.

Gamers have been too generous with their wallet. Cut them off

Oof. But oof

He’s not wrong. If they launched the buggy as free content at the same time as the dlc people who bought the dlc would mentally add the buggy as part of the dlc and review it more positively probably. The problem is the game sucks and talking about this weird social manipulation instead of criticizing the games flaws and improving is just a sign the bethesda that makes good games is dead

I just want games to be fun again. I dont care about politics, I don’t want to go on the internet and tell people to “git gud.” I just want to play a game and have fun. I dont want to pay every 3 months for a season pass, I don’t want microtransactions. Dlc is fine in most cases. But just make fun games again.

One of Bethesda’s biggest limitations is the compartment system they use to generate the world.

Why did they put the coolest weapon in the game in the expansion then not make a way to get ammo for it? Screw the buggies its a space game without lasers. And I liked starfield. I felt like it had good potential. But honestly it was quite underdeveloped. and Bethesda, please learn how to make quests.

I would be surprised if there is any follow up to Starfield given its reception and the general ill will it created amongst fans.

1:05 Make a poor copy of MAKO from ME from 2007, expect fans to go *Wow* :DDDDDDDDDDDDD

Todd Howard is Bethesda’s Little Dictator 😅

They literally had garden sets with food on them on moons with no atmosphere. There was no environmental storytelling anymore. It was all procedural garbage.

This poster is definitely delulu.

I can’t believe Xbox are threatening to bring their games to other platforms. You can keep them, sincerely PlayStation and Switch.

My biggest takeaway from this video is how damn sexy SS2 Gohan is.

“the first ever drivable vehicle in bethesda rpg”
Aren’t vehicles basically just reskin of horses? The function is the same.

The best thing that could happen is if Mictosoft allows Obsidian to make another Fallout and a New Vegas style Elder Scrolls game.

It wasn’t that it didn’t have a map, it’s that the exploration was genuinely so mind numbingly boring that i would rather have the ability to see where i needed to go instead and a buggy to help expedite that process.

God please let fallout 5 be decent at bare minimum

If the game didn’t suck

It sounds like a woman wrote that. So I’m not surprised how whiny and emotional she sounds.

Yeeeeah we gonna go have fun with this guy of the subreddit now ❤ Gonna show him how much an opinion can lead to… some results.

*Nah, Starfield its the best well deserved game.*

lots of people gave money to them, and now theyre sad? Starfield is trash, and people still play it AND BUY THEIR DLC??? You guys deserve that. Give more money to them. Ill spend my time and money and other ACTUALLY GOOD GAMES.

Я поражаюсь насколько идиотами иногда бывают игроки на западе. Есть студия разработчик которая уже десятки лет делает игры которые просто делают наши с вами детство и в которой мы до сих пор возвращаемся играем и нам просто вообще замечательно. И вы всерьёз решили отбить желание у этих разработчиков делать игры снова и в принципе возможно закрыть свою студию или провести какую-то рокировку сотрудников в студии просто потому что какой-то один проект этой студии вышел не таким какой вы хотели.

Я помню как вы опустили акции компании CD projekt red просто потому что ой оказывается в огромной игре которую вы ждали очень долго но постоянно торопили разработчиков с выходом игры, были баги и невозможно было играть в мажорчкие 60 FPS.

На самом деле абсолютно неважно было ли в cyberpunk 2077 играть просто или практически невозможно было играть, проблема в том что вы в прямом смысле из-за какой-то оплошности в виде того что видите ли в игру оказывается не получается поиграть нормально пытаетесь В прямом смысле разрушить целую студию. В одну игру не получается нормально поиграть и вы пытаетесь разрушить целую студию.

Мне искренне жаль что из-за того что вы настолько эгоисты это игра скорее всего не будет даже доработано, the elder Scrolls 6 скорее всего тоже выйдет буквально ни о чём, скорее всего те самые разработчики которые сделали моё детство просто перестанут делать игры, а вы будете и дальше сидеть на своих жопах жирных и рассуждать о том как вам не нравится что видите ли игры про избранных это клишированный сюжет а не классический, что видите ли вы не можете таращиться на персонажей потому что видите ли это обижает каких-то других граждан американских, что в огромных сложных проектах видите ли есть баги или они не идут в 60 FPS потому что 30 FPS для вас слишком мало.

No. The issue with Starfield is the big amount of loading screens worse than games of decades ago, harking back to the age of tape and cassette players, the lack of variation in structures and missions, the terrible character writing, the absence of good quests and quest lines. The buggy should have been in the main game at launch. Would have solved at least the criticism of the walking simulator.

When I first played the game I wondered why an advanced space faring civilization thought the best way to get around an essentially empty planet was to walk around it. The first Lunar rover was deployed on our moon on the Apollo 15 mission. That was 53 years ago! No starships or energy weapons or alien species and we sent a car to the Moon. But Bethesda decided “players can just walk like they did in Fallout.” (Won’t mention Oblivion or Skyrim…he remembered mankind knew about horses.) The buggy should have been available from the initial launch. They would have charged a ton for it…but maybe all the players who abandoned the game because it was so boring to hot foot it over dead planets might have appreciated it. Probably would have been on my “to buy” list.

We wouldn’t even have a buggy if Phil didn’t demand it

Maybe they should have put some of the official Creation Club stuff into the DLC instead of into the Creation Club. Just food for thought Bethesda. You have content, you just need to actually deliver it to the players properly.

Sorry to keep repeating myself. BGS is hopeless. They refuse to use a 21st century gaming engine. Their graphics are cartoonish. The storylines sound like something an 8th grader threw together the night before it was due. Boring and stupid. (Like, why do I have to go track people down. Don’t these folks have cell phones?) Pointless and repetitive. The dialog, despite the best efforts of the voice actors, is painful to endure. And there’s a whole fan group (not big enough to call a ” base”) that refuses to see that “the emperor has no clothes.” So horribly disappointed since I even bought the early access version on Steam, anticipating a month of that old Bethesda magic. I finally asked for a refund 37 hours in, after being told I needed to keep playing it for at least a hundred hours but was told I had played too long to ask for a refund. I removed it from my rig and thought, never going to fall for Todd’s lying ass again.

From my observation, the biggest problem here is the FOMO. The overhyping of the game seems to have caught the FOMO of the people which caused them to be scammed(?) by the company. Effective for money making in the short run, I guess. If it still happened for their next release, welp.

Bethesda is a shell of its former self. It has been living off the success of older titles but since Fallout 76 and now Starfield, people have opened their eyes to see their games were great, 10 years ago but they have been stuck in that time period. They seem to have no idea what a good game is by today’s standards. To be fair, most developers are like this now.

8:08 😂 idk. I got into bethesda from morrowind. Since then what made Bethesda was the modded community before nexus personnel started censoring mods. It been the communities created and modders who out of dedication to the craft and lore that carried bethesdas titles. All they needed to do was continue the stories, like elder scrolls what next? Are we actually getting close to the sleeper or does the dream twist some more? In fallout, the planet is actually becoming unrecognizable new landscapes and creatures, with the lovecraftian horror lurking in the background. How deep does that go?… it looks and feels like the new generation of developers have lost the love for the craft and have adapted a very high horse attitude.

“like a certain critic that said the game used no design documents wich is utterly rediculus” i know only of one critic that iv’e heard say such a thing and it makes sense that the commenter wouldn’t have the guts to speak his name. its luke stephens and he would break down this comment post in the vid so damned fast and methodical, and pick out all the falacies in the thought process of the poster that the poster wouldn’t know what to say.

BTW, the review score is 59%.

I mean, no? The mods have totally changed the game and it’s been a blast…the take isn’t wrong, people were clamoring for that vehicle

The game is an amazing game

Don’t even try to convince me otherwise I have over 2000 hours in the game

You haters are full of shit

bethesda and pretty much every other “big name” publishers and studioes live in a complete toxic positivity echo chamber – completely out of touch with their audience and consumers

i love it when people like that person use “legit criticism” because you know it means something they agree with

Thats why BGS are doomed, as papa fleekazoid said Bethesda fans have the games they deserved.

I enjoy Starfield at times but dear god it has glaring issues, and don’t even get me started on the disgusting paid mods that should be vanilla content such as the pistol holsters to show your weapons on tour hip….. Come on Bethesda do better, stop making my weapons disappear when holstered. Not to mention the nonsense gun designs and broken animations on some guns that don’t match up in dirst or third person. Ship design is fun though. Somehow outpost building feels more clumsy than Fallout 4

Crazy to think starfield was completely ready to release but they delayed it for a year to polish it up

Legit sounds like a chinese person defending china, completely delusional

The shooting isn’t great, the rpg elements aren’t great, the story isn’t great, the companions aren’t great, the writing isn’t great, the radiant activities aren’t great,
the cookie cutter repeated content on dozens of different planets isn’t great, the ship combat isn’t great, the ship building isn’t great, the settlement system isn’t great.

Starfield strikes me as serviceable enough to be a good distraction, but not distracting enough to be fun. There is nothing about starfield that is great,
There’s a lot of different things in the game, sure, but none of them are actually a great entertaining thing. Oh and the graphics and engine and visuals stuff isn’t great either.

Ten years worth of rereleases of Skyrim.

Toxic positivity is a sweet poison.

True, brother!

they failed and should just move on to a different project like the next elder scrolls. stick to what you can do todd

Bethesda is so out of touch with reality.

This trend in gaming is 100% correlated to wokeness/DEI. Undebatable at this point….and the people that buy into it are so delusional and brainwashed by it that they simply cannot admit it’s the reason for their failures. I guarantee you this little crybaby who posted that defending Bethesda buys into the agenda as well.

The only thing I was interested in for Starfield was playing around with the ship creator.

Modders will have to create a Starfield style mod for Skyrim but sadly it’ll be for PC only and not for consoles like Beyond Skyrim where you’ll be able to travel around throughout Tamriel.

And it’ll have a Dwemer computer where you’ll look at the galaxy of mundus although it won’t be officially canon and it’ll be inspired by Stargate.

Typical thinking of a backward businessman.

I love Starfield. My favorite RPG ever made.

Good and Finished games Don’t need any DLCs they don’t need any patches or fixes any new features and such man how i miss when games were released Actually Finished with Great amount of Content playing Metro Exodus reminds me of those days even thought even this game had it’s issues but still the main game and content on offer is superb i can only think of few games like that in the past 10 years

At this point, Obsidian should make ES6.

16 times the dumbassery. What happened to old Bethesda

The whole gaming scene can be summed up like this:

Game Developers: Hey we’re making a new game!
Players: OMG! We’re so excited! We love your IPs and can’t wait to further explore the worlds you’ve created for us and all that rich lore!
Game Developers: Oh, well, we’re actually going to make something entirely different, disregarding all your input, or own gaming culture, and probably lacing it throughout with woke agenda.
Players: Oh. Well, we aren’t going to play that.
Game Developers: YOU F****** UNGRATEFUL, BIGGOTED, RACIST, HOMOPHPBIC, RIGHT-LEANING, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!
The Media: Entitled players upset because the world doesn’t revolve around them.

All old Bethesda fans see a part of themselves in these bright eyed newcomers. They are experiencing the same love we experienced when we loaded up our first big Bethesda title. Give them 3 games, and they will see it the same way we do. I love Bethesda, but I have never once expected them to put out a polished or feature complete game. It has always been buggy slop, the slop just usually tastes really good.

Let me put it another way. The first time you get launched into the air randomly, it’s this crazy thing. Woah, what a bug! How did that happen? Then it happens again. And again. And again. Eventually you realize that’s just how these games are. They are all broken in the same way, but also in a way that’s unique to Bethesda titles. So, you download the community patch, learn the console commands, and eat the tasty slop. Ooo, space flavored this time!

Digital extremes Warframe creator over here existing while releasing free updates for over 10 years.

1 alot of devs don’t care
2 alot are ideological
3 they have incentives to appeal to reviewers and can get bonuses for taking the ideology further.

From start to finish the process and been broken and the disinterest in the hobby shows.

I don’t understand how people can defend subpar products just because of brand loyalty, because that’s what it is, nothing else, those people enjoyed fallout or elder scrolls at some point and are willingly ignoring all faults from bethesda just because they’re bethesda, that’s it. Saddly that doesn’t mean the company will see their loyalty and reward them with quality, instead they’ll see them as cashcows that’ll consume any overypriced and unfinished slop they make and thank them for it.

Starfield is treated this way because it’s objectively a bad game. You know what, Fallout 4, 76 would have gotten the same treatment but the franchise itself is so beloved that people ignore Bethesda’s screw ups. Bethesda knows that, they’re gonna try to pull same crap with Elder Scrolls, again another beloved IP. Corpos already figured this out; that’s why Disney goes and buys Star Wars. Because they know whatever crap they push, it will have good reception just because of the name and franchise, or out of nostalgia. “Demakes”, revival of old franchises, all follow the same formula. Get the IP, push a mediocre at best medium of entertainment, and you still make money, on top of that you’ll have “fans” defending you anyway. Internet and new media did not end up with more free thinkers; it created followers.

Imagine paying 60 USD for a product, not getting a working, complete product, and still s**king on company’s c**k. Pretty much all gaming subreddits are like this now. God forbid if you ask for an optimized, finished game instead of a buggy mess.

ill be playing skyrim in 2040

The main problem isn’t that he thought the Rev-8 would help lessen the negativity of the dlc but rather the fact that he’s saying they should of had the thing behind a paywall.

Generous? The gaming industry has been fucked for years. Broken, predatory, and propagandic. Where in there was generosity?? Bethesda is crazy

It’s not even toxic positivity, if you don’t like recent Bethesda games since Skyrim you won’t like Starfield at all, the base game I mean.

Nothing wrong with this whatsoever. Actually this is quite expected, since games have become more movie like and have yellow ladders etc. catch my drift?

The more you give to this game the more you get back, thats the philosophy of it. Now, a lot of people don’t like this, but I have found this game to provide WAY more gameplay than any other game that has come out in recent time. Which is for me and the people that enjoy it, we are definitely now playing this game still not because of the main quest or even some of the terrible faction questing as well, we are playing it for the actual freedom provided in the experience itself.

There’s a lot of validity to why players don’t like this game, I understand, the woke writing and the horrible campaign provided. But it does provide never ending content to your heart’s content and then some. I’m glad they made it tbh, I want developers to make what they want to make. I’m hoping they dial down the woke garbage in ES6 but I don’t thats going to happen, so as long as it’s nothing like nuka world or shattered space everything is gonna be okay in my book.

You can go to hell, people like you posting non stop hatred for the game and company are ruining any and all reasonable discussion. The dlc is way better than a 33% of people didn’t decide they hated thigg by a before going into them maybe the score would reflect the quality and not the hater culture people like you perpetuate.

prime example that todd howard is a socially inept oaf that cant read the room let alone the direct words his customers are telling him and couldnt possibly be responsible for the success of the past and if he somehow was he is now washed up and out of touch. RIP bethesda Games havent been good since oblivion/FO3

The post sounds like anything where people attach themselves emotionally to something for whatever reason, which can be absolutely valid, depending on their current situation, but then fail to detach criticism of the game from their self worth, seeing an attack on themselves behind every corner. “The modern audience”, i guess.

If it was on BetaStation it be the best thing since that shit ass game Horizon lol

The word “grift” doesn’t mean anything anymore

they doing the “brainwash” tactic that bungie tried to do
“if we over delivered the player might get used to it and expected it” so they under deliver on purpose for years till the game is dying that they had to release into the light update to get back all that FTP players, but by then even if some FTP came back the majority didnt stay cause all good will is trashed by that dumb idea of “if we stay generic, players wont expect anything” mentality
the phycological retardation of that thought process for a company that provide product is astonishing , the idea that instead of “providing” good product for consumer is dead, now its all about “how can be make money with least amount of effort possible” , its dumb and im glad all company that does this is going downhill

I just didn’t understand when, after having played Starfield for 2 weeks, around the clock, totally addicted to it, I read reviews saying it was crap. I play an MMO too (Guild Wars 2) and people were puzzled that I didn’t like raiding saying “But if you don’t want to participate in end game content, what’s the point in playing the game at all?”
And then I realised.
There are no ‘good games’ or ‘bad games’
The only truth is that people are different, and like different things.
Starfield, for me, was the right game at the right time, and I loved it. YMMV.

That dаm free bugy!! I actually wanted.. how dare they do this.. but the dlc is trash and so is the whole game soo im not sure I see the connection..

Too generous to the ones buying your games?.. if it wasnt a good sell because people didnt want it what makes you think that judging your player base will make em want the game?

Toxic Positivity, Copium or delusional mental health, the industry is plagued with it.

Todd Howard is washed up, he’s greatest feat is that he successfully lies to himself and then tries to make everyone else believe his own lie.

I’ve been in an online argument with a sony defender regarding the fromsoftware deal the other day and when he ran out of arguments he randomly started sending me screenshots from my facebook account like it was some kind of a gotcha… I feel like these people are npcs programmed by these megacorporations or something. At the very least they’re low iq useful idiots. I’m kinda sorry for them.

Got a friend who liked it so won’t give it to much shit but literally my favorite feature was being able to carry around the wooden duck after that it failed to grab me as the ship designing was a pain in the ass to use and cost to much to even take advantage of it. Would love it if the space battles were better and give me a capital ship class ship option that isn’t going to get me fucked up. Seriously they could have given us so much more and they are whining and upset because we expect more when they promised us more in the first place. Not even going to mention my issues with the heavy weapons seriously it wasn’t fall out there was not an apocalypse and its not medeval times seriously come on Bethesda

Todd needs to just stick with TES and Fallout, Starfield was garbage and we Bethesda fans only want new TES or Fallout SINGLE-PLAYER games, along with the tools to Mod them, which is why we accept Bethesda’s games as buggy and unpolished as they are.

This is a microcosm of what just happened in the US. Go ahead, keep gaslighting us Bethesda. There are so many great games being made by indie devs, Wayward Realms for one, we’ll just go play those.

What is “the worst possible developer concept”.

It’s not about liking or not liking the devs. it’s about the result: is the game good or not? That’s what customers care about. This isn’t a life documentary people don’t buy games because they “like” you, they buy it because they want to play. If they don’t like it of course they will be angry. If you can’t differentiate yourself from your job, you have a problem. Gamers aren’t your boss or your friend. Soon they will feel entitled to people’s money because they “worked hard”. Why is this even an issue? What a bunch of snowflakes. If all you want is shill feedback, you’ll end up making shittier games. People feeling emotional about your product is a good thing, right? Would you rather they not care at all?

I still haven’t played Starfield yet, with Bethesda games I generally wait 2 years or so until the bugs are ironed out and there’s a lot of content and fixes. Plus, I get them cheap. I’ll try it when it’s $20 or so.

Still, the game sounds like a mess, but with some of the other releases lately…Bethesda is like an orange that’s kinda spoiled and a little mushy, but still edible. Stuff like Ubisoft or Bioware’s Dragon Age are more like a rotten chunk of meat you have to fight a raccoon for and gives you six different kinds of parasites. And butt cancer.

And if a game/dev team/studio won’t provide what the players want, they’ll likewise go elsewhere…

bethesda putting up Ls since they tried to make pay mods on skyrim. need a leadership change over there and some better writers.

Is Bethesda forgetting how freaking generous gamers have been to their consistently buggy and somewhat mediocre games?

Honestly I’m still looking forward to the next Elder Scrolls because modders will make it better.

I really wanted to like this game, i had 100 hours on the game, and the game felt like a rehash of their previous games, no passion, just trying to reuse moments from the other games and the twists were very predictable bc of that. I was hearing so much about how this DLC was going to “Change the game” and when reinstalled it for the first time since i finished it on release i was disappointed, another you are the chosen one so the story revolves around you. Lazy writing, barely any gameplay changes, and the shattered space world seemed soulless and unrealistic+

Damn! We should have made people pay for features that every other game already had! Next time, we should release games with even LESS features! That will make people want to buy it…. Yeah it sounds just as stupid as it sounds…

Bought fallout 4 a couple years ago on a deep sale $15 ish 😂glad that’s the last Bethesda game I’ll ever buy. Todd Howard sounds like he’s fuckin brain dead

The bad decision was making this game at all, instead of working on Fall out, or Elder Scrolls

Starfield was a terrible game, it’s so sad how much people lie for a mess of a game, no, a company luke Bethesda.

Ponies haven’t been the same since the release of Starfield 😂

Mr Matty has repeatedly said he really enjoyed Starfield but he understands the criticism and has his own as well.

Such good research that guy did, lol.

Maybe they should make an advertisement with some rainbow dressed weirdos prancing around, telling us to reject the status quo and copy nothing… that’s bound to help sales.

This is it… RIP Elder Scrolls 6 🫡

There really is no critical thinking for these developers.

To them, everything they do is gold and if it tanks, it’s the consumers fault.

That’s no shutting the hell up and LISTENING to what gamers want.

Can’t stop laughing.

Bethesda could quite literally poach the first page of the most downloaded all-time on Nexus and officially integrate it as DLC.

The dude must be a troll? 👀😂

translation: “We should have purposefully kept the base game more empty and put free content into a paid dlc, in order to coerce players to give us more money for ultimately the exact same result.”

You gotta love the takeaway about that. ‘Man, if we just tied something new to the DLC, then maybe they would have liked the DLC more because they actually got something for buying the DLC’ as though the issue was that they made both and people didn’t care about the second one. Yeah, well, maybe if your justification is that a vehicle that people find remotely useful is extra and a DLC with nothing to be excited about is lacking because you think you removed something from it… like you’re seeing that you’re missing the point. They legit don’t understand that the DLC is boring and wanna bundle it with something useful to try and distract from that fact. Yikes.

Everything Howard touches turns to shit. Daggerfall is one of the greatest games ever made, then Howard joined the team. Morrowind was decent, but you could see the decline in qulaity starting. Then there’s what he did to Fallout, which is just unforgivable.

I still remember during the Fallout 76 reveal, Todd Howard proudly announced that each person the player meets in the game is a real person. Everyone cheered, but I immediately knew they were too lazy to even put in NPCs. The game turned out to be a shitshow and then finally Bethesda were ‘kind enough’ to put in the NPCs into the game.

Todd Howard is a serial scammer. 16 times the detail my ass.

It just works 🙃

This company was so much better when the teams were small and used to hang out on the same forums as the users. Feedback and discussion was direct. Things went straight to Todd and co.

Wow, i sworn that i am done bashing starfield but this post deserves to be addressed. Bethesda seems to legit believe that more content is better when nowadays it has become clear as day the problem is the quality of the content, not the lack of content. Even on that Bethesda fails though, no matter how many procedurally generated planets you make, you will never be as good as morrowind and speaking of which, morrowind has more actual content than starfield, more actual places, more complex towns , more quests, more faction quests and unlike starfield they dont feel like they were made by a intern as a 2 minute fetch quest talk to this guy get the thing come back, literal babys first quest mod is what most of the quests in snorefield are. So yes bethesda is lazy, the clown who says we dont know how games are made is missing that modders have made entire skyrims out of bethesda”s engines with mods and the fact bethesa with its 200 devs plus over a hundred of hired freelancers and 45 small studios in the credits section and yet they took 8 years to make a game that has less content and effort put into it than morrowind that was made by 40-60 people in 3 years, its just laughable.

Bethesda needs to clean house, fire emil and todd and start new. Also i was able to identify mrmattyplays was a shill by how positive he was with fallout 4 and everyone who played that game could see what bethesda would become. I guess mr matty is less of a shill now that he is bigger.

“I have been a a massive fan of Bethesda games for years!” Shut up N’Wah

It’s like these journalists just can’t process the idea of criticism. A lot of people who hate Bethesda now used to enjoy their games. Why else would people feel so strongly about it if they didn’t want Bethesda and their games to be better

Give OP an honorable clown costume because holysh1t that was a horrible opinion the only Besthda game I still play is Skyrim but even that its heavily modded because any Vanilla Besthda games is a one playthrough and never touch again in recent releases

Bethesda, Bioware and Ubisoft, the trio of toxic positivity and braindead cope. I am willing to bet that guy is a dev pretending to be a random gamer.

How about a counter point how the whole DLC felt like it was a cut off content of the main game maybe they should’ve held off on the release of the game and given the people all of the content when it released instead of charging us for what the trimmed off the top of it.

People have been making too many excuses for them for years, I mean, you could tell when the game was releasing and it had a bunch of bugs and they kind of laughed it off, saying the Bethesda release that has the least amount of bugs ever They Always have an excuse for when they screw up why it’s not their fault

I stopped giving Todd Howard the benefit of the doubt after the Fallout TV Show. Before that I was criticial, but thought maybe with the right people to keep him in check he could make a good project. Not anymore.

For me, the game fails because the game and story is on rails. The quests are a to b, then b to c, then c to d. No choice of outcome. Let’s look at a side quest, Free Star Ranger. Now, minor spoiler, it has a fix outcome: “And you should have choice of outcomes, even basic ones like talking to your boss first”. This is the issue for me with star-field: the over all lack of choice, lack of cause and effect, and therefore the consequences of your actions.
Take a look at The Outer World, just as an example. In this game, you could make some basic choices, which would affect the outcome of quests and the game. Do you give the X item to group A or give it to group B, or do you try some-else, like make peace between both groups?
Making basic choices which effect the outcome of the quest is what Star Field lacks and cannot sadly recommend this game.
I had my fun with with a free game 140 odd hours played but I happy I did not pay for game and tell you truth I been more happy with discount on my GPU

We have been too generous to game companies

Ever damn times the shills use this argument “you dont know what goes into game development so you cant criticize it!! just be a good paypig and consume product.”

Same energy as ‘you dont know how to cook so when i serve you a burnt hockey puck as a expensive medium rare steak, be a good paypig and consume it.’

Good they need to learn we won’t buy trash about time these companies hired real talent not WOKE shit …

They don’t understand that their Creation-store content will only be successful if the BASE GAME is worth consistently playing.
They need to stick with the traditional Expansion / DLC / occasional Free Update model if they want to bring this game back from the brink… but seeing how willingly-ignorant they are regarding Starfield, I doubt it’ll ever happen.

Elder Scrolls VI no longer excites me, and that’s sad.

If Phil Spencer thinks Starfield was good in any capacity, it’s no wonder Xbox/microsoft haven’t had a good game in years and any game made under that umbrella is in development hell. Get that dumbass out of there bruh😂

Bethesda makes slop games for people that are allergic to critical thinking

As a ps5 owner, I just thought, when bethesda was bought by Microsoft, we’ll, I just like doom 2016, the other games made by then will not be missed.

Bethesda could say this when Skyrim first released. But now? 😂

Todd’s dumb as a brick but you’re somewhat mischaracterizing their point. I don’t even like Bethesda but you’re def giving it the least charitable interpretation.

Infant children gamers cant be happy with anything

Bethesda forgetting who keeps the lights on. just a hint it’s not the shareholders it’s us the gamers. Bethesda is well know for being lazy, if it wasn’t for the modding community they’d have nothing.

People like Todd and the other decision makers and leaders for gaming companies should stub their toe at least once a day to make them remember that they’re not above anyone else

Unfortunately I don’t think that person was a shill, Bethesda fans are actually like that. There’s more than a few crayon-eaters among the people left buying games from Bethesda. You’ll notice this trend of idiot pseuds latching onto their games as the years went on, particularly during the “Skyrim era”. Bethesda went peak greed releasing the same game multiple times at full price for almost a decade. I noticed a decent number of people there also picking up certain real-world political positions and trying to insert them into the game, notably politics that occurred LONG AFTER the game released. For example, in 2016 they were all comparing Ulfric Stormcloak to Donald Trump and Elisif to Hillary Clinton, of course signaling their support of the latter and decrying the former as a certain mustache man. Again, this game released in 2011.
In general it seems like a lot of people came for Skyrim, which is a very watered-down experience compared to Bethesda’s older games, did not bother to learn any real lore about the world, and just inserted their personal dogshit take on US politics into the setting. The kind of people who complain about the Stormcloaks being “racists” when literally every race in TES is racist, to the point that the Stormcloaks look like they’re just being reasonable considering everything else. I mean Morrowind had actual slavery and there was basically nothing you could do about it. What’s more, you could choose to free a slave as a sidequest and he immediately turns on you and tries to kill you and take your things.

Adding Micro-transactions is being too generous.
These companies stand on ground because of our money and our time spent on their games playing, and thats how they treat us. What a great disrespect.

Greed will wipe these companies from the gaming world.

Its time for indie devs and small studios to take advantage of this situation.

holy gaslighting from bethesda and phil.

Couldn’t tell if corporate account or troll. Kudos I guess.

Bethesda modders need to get together and make studios themselves

Remember when they sold Skyrim on the PS3 that had some bugs that made the game literally unplayable at launch which went unfixed until years later.
Yet they lecture us about how ungrateful we are.

Tldr; Tell me your a gamedev without telling me your a gamedev.

Triple A gaming is dead. Between the dev teams, the managers of these companies, and game “journalists,” it has become a positive feedback loop of fart huffing and pointing at gamers as being the problem, not their company, product, or reviews (that often times lie HARD to shill a game). Indie -> Small Dev are the only opportunities for actual good games these days because they tend to have ONLY people with a passion for making games. Not profiting, rather heartlessly, off of a beloved hobby held dear to MANY. Maybe there’ll be a diamond in the rough, with Triple A, but I wouldn’t waste my time or hold my breath for it.

Edit: I also distinctly remember having the same opinions on the game back when it released and I am glad to see/hear that my opinions were substantiated. Hopefully the literal swarm of Bethesda drones woke up, or are waking up, to realize they are being used as an ATM by a business whose entire prestige comes from a game they didn’t even develop.

Crazy, cause that rover is utter shit anyhow. I prefer to run every time loaded on amp.
These people have lost their damned minds.

From the people who gave us the famous horse armor, the exact moment that led gaming to where it is now.

No! We have been to nice to non gamers. We should have gate kept them away.

the concept of the rev-8 is a 1to1 copy of masseffekts m35. yeah …this would sure carry a dlc…

Blame anything other than face up to the core problem.

The writing is shit.

It’s like they forgot Mass Effect existed. It had land vehicles first.

Remember when the leftards used to be anti-corpo?

Triple A Corporates ignoring us, and not learning from their mistakes. I don’t think I’m gonna buy Elder Scrolls 6…

To be fair, releasing the car along with the dlc as a free bonus for everyone regardless if they buy the dlc would probably bump up the review score of the dlc a few points.

Let’s just remember, the buggy was not made for the DLC so the map for SS makes the buggy unuseable. Might’ve actually decided to put some real roads in the expansion lol
Ps. Let’s just remember, the Rover is slower than just getting a good Jetpack and sprinting.

Shattered Space is the Oblivion ‘horse armor’ all over again but much much worse. It shows they’ve learned nothing since 2006 🤦‍♂️

I wonder, if Bethesda still exist to finish “The Elder Scrolls 6” and will not getting shut down by Microsoft before. 2 or 3 years is a lot of time for a game industry and in this time, a lot of things can happen.

Grift is so overused and is such a buzz word now.

This is all correlated with dei. Dei hires are shit and not the best for the job they are picked to fill Quotas that would rather make managment feel better then having the right person for the job.

I feel like if they had the buggy really early in the game (or even on release) the game would of done a lot better. Not only because one of the top critisms of the game (which I share) was that the game was a bit too empty and it you had to walk everywhere. If you added the buggy really early in the games life cycle it would of given the community some easement of this issue and it could of given modders more assets to play around with and really help it. I don’t think them releasing it a month ago would change anythibg since the game stagnated.

And we’ve been far too generous with these corpos.

It’s long since been time to stop that.

Bethesda made their best games with the smallest teams. The more people they hire, the worse the product.

That was 100% Todd Howards account.

Don’t ask questions, just consume product and get excited for next product

Hey spencer, let me tell you what your wrong move was…..everything. Everything you did for the last 10 years was a wrong move. Thank you for destroying Bethesda 👍

I am so tired of corpo-bootlickers who think criticism is just “hating” for no reason or that we just “hate” the game…

No, we wouldn’t be complaining about it if we didn’t love Bethesda and their games! We know Bethesda can do better because they have done better in the past and all we want is for Bethesda to look at their roots, what made those good games, and replicate that again. Imagine a new TES game with the depth of Morrowind again? Even Oblivion’s depth would be nice. I would prefer Daggerfall depth, but that’s unrealistic of me to expect that out of “modern” game dev. I will only ever get to enjoy Daggerfall like games in indies.

But even then, it should say a lot for Daggerfall when someone has been making a Unity port of the entire game so more people can play it. That should tell Bethesda everything, but they don’t listen.

Oh no, toxic gamers want quality and promised features, and dont want incomplete buggy games. What audacity!

They’re an empty shell of their former selves. Bethesda was only good for ES:1-5 and Fallout:1-3(4 was decent)

ESO, FO76, Starfield were all grander yet lacking the soul of the studio. All three were cash grabs, sure they’re fleshed out(minus starfield), but they none have that passion.

They had a good run, but their time has come imo.

That post was painful to read. Starting each paragraph, not just each sentence, with AND or BUT.

Fanboys are the offspring of the woke.

It cracks me up how you’re clearly struggle with not bursting out into laughter at what you’re reading. 😂

“Safe space to talk positively.” – Opinion invalidated.

No one is immune from criticism, and having that criticism is what defines the difference between customers and consumers. Cope harder, set standards on your entertainment. I went into the indie market because I couldn’t trust Bethesda to not make garbage anymore. I’ve found lots of games this year. Conscript, Gori: Cuddly Carnage, Bloomtown: A Different Story I’ve played just this month. Look them up.

And explain to me what the heck I need Bethesda for. “They worked hard.” Waahhh. Would’ve been nice if they could’ve made a better game while they were at it.

Bethesda showed their true colours with Fallout 76 and the shit show that turned out to be. Never bought Starfield and will not be buying the new elder scrolls. Honestly if you want to play a good Bethesda game then go with Skyrim where you can use mods to make it look almost like its a new game.

I mean. He’s right. Starfield is a genuinely good game. It had some bugs, but That’s just bethesda. They work and release patches and consistently get better. It’s not perfect but they keep working to make it better.
The sad truth is that there’s a strong chance that if they waited to release the buggy with the expansion it would have gelt like there was more to it. The expansion was perfectly fine and people are just looking to hate on Bethesda.

They hated on bethesda when they released FO76 , and it was a rocky start, but despite the criticism it was still a decent game. Just like No man’s sky, they practically remade the entire experience from the ground up. Fallout started out better than NMS. Kept more promises than NMS And like NMS improved it until it was a completely different experience and despite starting and finishing NSM with fewer broken promises and better communication, People still hated on FO76 and loved NMS despite fallout being the objectively better game This is what showed me that people are just looking to hate on Bethesda because it’s the cool thing to do.

Bethesda games are far from perfect, but each and every game they have made is at least good. Really people look for ANY reason to hate on bethesda when they have always been one of the better game companies despite their flaws.

Well, I actually agree that including the buggy in the expansion would’ve been a better move for them.

When im told ‘the game gets fun after 30 hours’, its not a good game.

You don’t have to be a baker to know when bread is stale.

I still have no idea why they were so revered. Outside of Doom 2016 I never liked anything they put out.

I’ve hated bethesda since playing their games and watching them fall gave me an ouhrgasm

Patrician was right!

While I agree that the community seems to hate the devs unnecessarily, clearly the devs hate their paying customers (like way too many other companies).

The foundation of Starfield was bland and way too safe. No DLC or vehicles are going to change that.

Skyrim 2 might be DOA

Warhammer 40k Darktide released in a similar buggy state. The last 2 years have been releasing free patches including a recent overhaul to their weapons itemization. Not a single DLC because they understood they needed to fix their game first. Bethesda has no leg to stand on when an actual smallish company owned by TenCent can outperform you ethically and professionally.

Meh, didnt they sell 15 millions? Since fallout 4, bethesda is just horrible

There are bugs in their games that have existed since Morrowind, that have been fixed by modders since Morrowind, but yeah Bethesda is totally not lazy and incompetent, these corporate defenders are coping so hard.

Haven’t brought the dlc but apparently I am one of the minority but I enjoyed Starfield. Sure game has a lot of flaws but they weren’t enough to kill my enjoyment. I get why a lot people didn’t like it but I agree their games have gone downhill in terms of quality.

It feels like Bethesda has taken all the wrong lessons from their games and iterated on those instead of taking the positive things.
This has been a trend since Morrwind, but its only gotten worse.

HA took people a year to realize this game is pathetic, I said the same thing back when it released and there was huge cope.

I refunded the game immediately after playing it a little and bought Baldurs Gate 3 instead.

I would argue that the people criticizing these games are the people that love gaming the most cause their the ones trying to get these studios to stop making these stupid mistakes and make good games again. While these shills are absolutely grifting and only make things worse

Remember that Starfield is the game that Bethesda want people to keep playing for many years to come.

If they think they are being generous
Just imagine how generous gamers will be if they keep this condescending attitude and launch Elder Scrolls 6 as lackluster as Starfield

Ah yes, the victim card has been played.

Well, Bethesda’s problem is their audience. Specifically, that they grew up.
As a kid we’re usually much more lenient towards low quality stuff since we don’t know better. But then corpos started getting even lazier thinking it will let them make more money for less work while at the same time their audience grew up and became more critical of their work. There was never a chance that this would work. If you start sacrificing quality for quick profit and relying on uninformed players, you will fail (as proven by almost every AAA studio nowadays).

Can you even imagine writing a whole ass novel like that on a hellhole like reddit? 😂

As someone who actually did enjoy playing the game, it was dog shit. My personal enjoyment playing it does not change that fact. The story was so bad, it’s the reason I stopped playing. I literally didn’t care about any of the companions and genuinely wanted to get a few of them killed. The only reason I enjoyed playing it was because it’s basically Fallout 4 in space. The combat mechanics are exactly the same as Fallout 4 and the weapon customization was fun to play around with. The ship building was the best part and a large reason why I kept playing cause you had to grind out the game just to get the best ship parts.

it’s joever for bethesda lol

edit: that no sodium starfield guy should turn in his gamer badge. he ain’t one of us.

Gamers: “Bethesda, your games are buggy!”
Todd Howard: “Huh. They did not like the buggy. We should’ve made it a DLC.”

What this game needs is a full Mod team (not dev) over hauling the entire thing. Just a full conversion mod like Skyblivion or Skywind (mods that put Oblivion and Morrowind into Skyrim)

So yeah… Releasing something that should have been in the BASE game before DLC drops is the reason why DLC is bad. I suppose word logic is completely lost on these people.

Stick. Stick now, stick forever. It’s the ONLY way any of them will learn. Their delusions WILL shatter once they have no choice but to breach the bubble and look outside.

I pretty much lost hope in Bethesda around 11.11.2011. I wanted to like Skyrim – I tried to. Same with Fallout 4… I’ve actually played both for hundreds of hours wanting to like them and inhaling lethal amounts of copium but I still feel like I didn’t get my money’s worth.

At the rate they are going, they will end up as the next Ubisoft….

Man, how I loathe the “safe space” phrase being used as the existence of a bubble where everyone agrees with everyone. Such lack of maturity, no wonder we live in an adult sized kindergarten.

Leave my multimillion dollar company alone! 😢 I do believe Bethesda pay for these posts. 😂

It’s dead Jim. The name is there. The building is there. But there’s no Soul. No brain. No life. Bethesda is dead.

Don’t forget: When you open the mod-page in Skyrim. They HAVE A FUCKING ARBITRATION BULLSHIT

I was thinking, maybe one reason (out of many) for the games to sucks is the fact that they listen to the community, but is filled, and regulated, by corpos bootlickers, so they never heard the real critiques, neither the most moderates, or the most harsh.

The funny thing is the buggy would have hurt shattered space more as then people would be pointing out like I have that the buggy does not even get a hanger mod for the ship it just spawns like the devs where too lazy to finish working on it.
But no Beth is like “We will let the modders make the game for us and we can make money off them.”

YES! PLEASE FALL BEFORE YOU COULD EVEN FINISH ES6

these idiots still had a broken ass sniper rife with only 4 bullets by the time they released the stupid buggy…they don’t care about games or gamers, they care only about money.

How can they be so incredibly out of touch? Like what kind of substances are they taking?

Bethesda is incompetent and Skyrim was extremely mid. Starfield just confirms my expectations that TES6 won’t be better.

Their games just get *worse* with every release like a the mind of a dementia patient… the potential of the IPs is wasted on them

I’ve never played a Bethesda game, but I am 99% sure that A. Mass Effect was an RPG and B. it had a drivable land vehicle (a damn cool one at that).

Ah yes, that explains why BG3 has been such a huge flop, because the 7 large free updates were just too generous

Holy shit, that “spike” from the expansion is absolutely tiny.

No Todd. You fixed stuff and added stuff that should have been in there from the beginning. If you’d have waited and then charged people for what is basically quality of life improvements, you’d have brought even more ire and derision on Starfield, Bethesda and yourself. Stop listening to the little voice in your head that wants to wring money out of people and start listening to those who matter, the people who decide if Bethesda will survive. Gamers.

After all these years on this planet, I have learned one thing, if your product is good, you don’t need to buy support.

56% rating = 1/2 players dislike it
wukong 96% rating = 1/20 players dislike it

wukong is 10x more liked than starfail.

They just want Yes men

He realised free will exist instead of whaling for youtubers.
Well done chad!

“we’ve been to generous to gamers”, you mean with your copy pasted planets consisting of the same experience I could get from mass effect one driving around with the mako from 2007, complete with just four copy pasted layouts for the dungeons? You mean the game that still has loading screens for every single room in their main big cities, something that even fallout 76, a game where bethesda took a random studio and gave them a engine that could barely run a single player and gave them only 24 months to get the engine to run multiplayer didn’t even have to deal with loading screens every time you entered a building. Seriously, what generosity?

You’re just reading random reviews… this is so lame

They’re just waiting for the modders to gather in swarms so they can charge them for improving the game with mods like Skyrim.

I don’t want to hate Bethesda but my god Bethesda games just suck ubislop is better now

I have been generous enough with Bethesda by investing 7 hours of my time in Starfield, even if I had it “free” with my GPU I feel scammed. I have thousands of playtime over Skyrim and Fallouts, but Starfield was the “reskin too many”.

hehe one thing that comes to mind, leaving the rover to the DLC would have made it worse. It would feel like the fallout first or what ever it was called where you get the much needed more scrap space. Yes shattered space needed features, but the map or rover things that game badly needed as part of the dlc I think would have made it feel more like a money grab.

I want what Todd and Phil are smoking

Blame gamers, your own fans.. Need I remind Bethesda that we bought and played Skyrim on the PS3?! That ports end up becoming unplayable as the save keeps on growing, things not despawning, things not spawning, 4 frames per second, endless crashing because the game has become unstable. Bethesda fans have tolerated a LOT.

isnt that the other way around? Your name and games still heard bcs ofodders and community. Without this, skyrim would be dead by 2011

Does anyone know that episode of the apprentice where the teams were tasked to negotiate a price and remodel people’s front yards. The team lead went shopping and bought like one chair and four plants. The client walks into an absolutely barren yard that they paid $250 for. The presenter/modeler is like ‘we went for a …minimalist…approach’ and the buffoon who bought the stuff got mad when his team lost. “we should have arranged things better” “WHAT THINGS?”

I like how on Reddit you need to apologize to every single person you might potentially offend before speaking your mind

If Starfield is Todd Howard’s passion project then I’d hate to see the next Fallout game

It feels like only clowns are working under the umbrella of M$. I’ve spent thousands of hours with Bethesda content, using and creating mods, talking about their games and playing them over and over. But the first review of Toddfield made me cancel the game pass, it’s just not worth it anymore. I didn’t even try out Dogshit 76 in space for free in the remaining days. And my next Windows will be a Linux because they are not only losers when it comes to gaming.

So his “positive” about the game he can name is “exposing” toxicity? Well, well, doesn’t that sound familiar. So if the community wouldn’t be toxic, the game wouldn’t have anything positive left to say about?

If features are missing from the base game, selling a DLC to fix those problems would have been scummy, but thats nothing new to bethesda after stuff like the Fallout collectors box with cheap bags etc. It’s important to complain about those things, because every time they are successful with it, they will do it again and worse until they hit a wall and walk it back to look like the good guys.

I hate when people describe 76 as “now a pretty good game”
It is not. Of the hundred problems the game had on release, they have fixed 0 of them. It is still fundamentally flawed on a gmeplay and functionality level and no amount of terrible, rushed dialogue or raid maps is going to fix that.

Bethesda fans working on that demon time 24/7, what a glaze holy shit lmaooo

These people should stop talking about how many hours they put into the game. It’s completely irrelevant.
How about you actually make a good game, instead of just sinking a lot of hours into a mediocre one and then claiming those hours raise the value of the game?

Larian needs to show ALL of these hacks how to dev a game.
Oh wait… they already have.
RIP.

So generous of them giving us a story insulting the player’s intelligence with how bad it was, and gaslighting on twitter saying “gamers do not understand more complex stories” in the past. Emil Pagliarulo needs fired for such an incompetent take. TES6 is going to be as bad as Starfield with the same people in charge and with Emil heading writing.

I’m not paying $100 to play the DLC

It’s fucking sad you get The Rev 8 in Starfield when you can fly in a spaceship on a planet’s surface in No Mans Sky…
Elder Scrolls 6 is going to be complete garbage…..I pre-ordered Ultimate edition of Starfield, dropped 70 hours and had enough of that trash. Didn’t bother to go back to playing Starfield even though I got the Shattered Space dlc for my Ultimate edition purchase….I’m done with Bethesda completely…

Bethesda?
You mean the company that’s known for releasing broken, buggy games then depending on their community to fix them and never actually fixing their games themself.

So, they’re mad that they didn’t throw the buggy (which should have been in the game from launch) into the dlc which is mostly made from cut content that also could have been in the basegame but they decided to charge the audience extra to essentially buy back content that was already mostly finished 😂

Bethesda fans are one of the most delusional group, no matter what slop they get served from Todd they will clap like seals.

Bethesda is out of touch with reality, like spoiled child. But thats what you get if you celebrate a buggy and out of time game like Skyrim for over a decade. B. should have a reality check with Skyrim years ago.

So make a game plan, strip things out then deliver 50% of the game and sell the remaining 50% as DLCs……….

“They have small team!” then hire?, its triple A game not indie, you are being sold a triple a game for a triple a price and you should expect at least experience on par with the current standards of a triple A game.

This just sounds like Bethesda are coming to the realization that their new games suck.

Tell me youre not a gamer without telling me youre not a gamer. Shills are the worst, tied closely with Simps.

I once again thank Microsoft for gatekeeping Bethesda titles from me, they really saved me a lot of money longterm.

I got bored with Starfield. I went back to their older games and had way more fun.

idk, Steam reviews are not the end all be all verdict on a game, cause I would argue people at lease played Starfield
Kill the Justice League and DA:V have been far more decisive yet still have higher ratings
Dustborn a game that no one played, peaked at 83 players is higher… Concord, a game you can’t even play, is higher
how?

They really can’t comprehend that drivable vehicles should have been in the BASE game if they were going to have maps that large, but nooooooooooooo walk on foot, “explore” our empty maps, play the game the way we want you to, and buy our expensive mods that barely add anything into the game/ add things into the game that should have been in the base game. They should have never expected praise for adding features into the game that should have been there from the very beginning, and then they have the audacity to try and gaslight players? What are these devs smoking?

Hard to believe after all the feedback Todd’s take was ‘We should have paywalled the good stuff.”

If ylu follow that defenders logic, the toxic ones are the ones that stayed to play that trash if you followed those player numbers. Which would make him the toxic ones, cause that game is so bad, i have 0 desire to waste me time trashing it.

you might find this a stupid take, but I think it tracks, because this is from the same guys who said that planets were supposed to be empty and boring.

someone actually plays that “corridor” simulator?
Skyrim with its endless bugs glitches and crashes is way better than starfield
because when you think of exploration you have endless possibilities, almost every cave has some kind of lore tidbit either blatantly obvious in a book or by how the cave is decorated
in starfield there is nothing, you get to a planet and there’s like 3 places where you can land with 5-6 POI each that literally add nothing
you could remove every single one and the exploration wouldn’t even suffer
the whole story i played (like 2 hours) was basically a corridor of yes/no but yes/ absolutely not but still yes garbage with shittiest writing in history of maybe ever
i could shit on a dinner plate slap on starfield on it and people would not be able to differentiate the two

That guy is still playing Skyrim when it released. No the five other times, but the first time it did. Bethesda got away with so much when quality control was a thing yet it was ignored because the Western game industry didn’t have that much to compete with Japan, but they had been showing signs of weakness adjusting to the new generation. Even Kingdoms of Amalur wasn’t spared, having Bethesda faithful review bombing it because it was seen as a possible threat. Now that they can’t pay their way out of the mediocrity they’ve displayed for decades the cope is falling on them like a boulder.

Todd lost his spark. he’s totally fallen for the praised from Morrowind. and should be fired as a DEI hire.

The real BGS is gone like most of these once great companies. Todd was good at his old position in BGS but sucks as the leading position he is in now. And not to forgot most of the good devs have been replaced or moved on. The biggest problem tho is that the focus they had when they were great, is gone

Maybe if there was actually cool reasons to explore then the buggy could be fun. But you are still exploring a pretty much dead planet. Embracing my old ME1 days only works when playing ME1.

Maybe I am just easy to please. Aside from all the outfits and armor looking the same no matter your character’s gender, I didn’t really have a problem with Starfield. Just my opinion. I like making my ships.

That Pimp was right when he said Bethesda “Fans” get what they deserve.

They unironically do the “Your greed is hurting the economy” meme
I’ve seen more criticism in North Korea than this sub.

They’re last hope is IF they cook with Elder Scrolls VI, If they fail with that? They’re done for good, There will be no Fallout 5.

OP has a slice of the truth. When this game came out there was a bunch of people hating bethesda because Microsoft bought it. I literally have a friend who was calling the game trash because he saw like a 15 minute compilation of it’s bugs. This same friend of mine also saw similar kinds of buf compilations for cyberpunk 2077 but he loves that game now that he’s played it. At the very least the other side of the console wars waa praying on starfield’s downfall and calling it trash every chance they got.

Of course now it’s more than people hating for hating’s sake. Steam reviews are only done by people who buy the game and the overall review are sitting at around 50% at the time of writing this. Safe to say the game is truly mid

I have a theory. Bethesda isn’t named after some random-ass town in the U.S., but is a mixture of “beta” and “testers”.

Locking QoL behind paywall is just an evil decision.

Gacha games is much better on that front.

Wait, what about horses ? XD

I’d take 50 Ubisoft games over 1 Bethesda game

MrMatty is the most unapologetic BGS simp in the world. He didn’t turn to grift. He is deeply depressed by how disappointing Starfield and the expansion were. Anybody claiming that Matty ‘just complains’ now did not pay any attention to his channel before now. The dude is arguably TOO positive about the games he covers, especially when it comes to Bioware and BGS. Wild to me that he is somehow catching flak for having the most rudimentary and light-handed criticisms of a bad game.

we been too generous eith developers…

cope about that horse dlc

Man, this is ubi levels of disconnect between bethesda and players. Too generous? They charged $70 for a total conversion skyrim mod. The problem is we’ve been too generous buying skyrim like 3 times. Die the hero or live long enough to become the villain. Looks like Bethesda has become “was great”.

I have 0.3 % hope for Elder Scrolls 6 being any good or not woke

You knew he spent $100 for the 3 days early access just by how hard he defended starfield.

the dlc needs bug fixing and better integration with the rest of the game, a companion from the world you visit for the dlc doesn’t really even acknowledge it and it feels incredibly isolated from everything else its not more features that the dlc needed its just better writing and tying everything together to make it a satisfying and cohesive experience.

Microsoft and Bethesda are so delusional at this point that anything they say is best ignored. I feel sorry for everyone waiting on ES6.

Personally, didn’t want a vehicle/buggy. But really like the game!

“Stop attacking the multi-million-dollar gaming corporation you evil gamers!!!” – Some shill, idk

For Elder Scroll 6, I don’t want 16x Skyrim. All I need is 2x Oblivion and no DEI bs.

stating that this singular vehicle that WAS free-lcs should have been in the DLC is just admiting that the DLC isnt worth it.

A sneaky way of introducing live services in the form of paid mods.

I don’t know about everyone else, but I’m sick and tired of Bethesda “cities”. The kind that npcs say are the biggest they’ve ever seen…and then there’s like 4 houses with a single bedroom. I don’t care if I can’t go in every single building, I just want a city that looks and feels like an *actual* city.

My problem is with the people that like the game but think that they opinion is the only one correct. It’s perfectly ok for someone to like the game or think that it’s a 10/10 game, but from there to say that the majority is wrong is just desilutional. If the general public doesn’t like your product, it’s not the fault of the people.
Also, effort doesn’t always get you a reward, everyone fais and waste time. bethesda waste 8 years making this game.

If I’m always naming Larian, it’s because at least i’m seeing them putting effort in their work. I still remember a twitter from Larian looking or some specific Nvidia graphic card that was out of stock, because there was a certain bug that only happened to that graphic card xD “if you have it, mail it to us”.

If it wasn’t for the mod community, bethesda games would’t even be that good to begin with, nor they would release another skyrim for the N time.