Oh your wrong about hunting dear my friend, They were used for hunting a different being my friend, like those being that has 2 legs 2 arms and 1 head, Oh and it even comes with a male or female 😂.

In some other places they even use it for hunting in the dark with beings wearing body armor 😂

I’m 99% sure this is tongue-in-cheek, they didn’t actually think it’s a hunting rifle. The joke is that it’s so far in the future that they don’t know what it was used for.

I know the whole “bethesda doesn’t understand guns” meme, but c’mon, this is pretty obviously on purpose.

Can you stop being an idiot for five minutes

I think it’s called the old earth hunting rifle because the new humanity forgot about the standard weapon lost the name of the actual weapon (This is just what i think)

Id like to think if it as the ignorance of the future interprting the past. If course thats for hunting. Its wood. So primitive.

Wood stock argument is ass, coulda came up with anything better

wincester lever action is a first thing when u think about hunting rifle probably

In the future maybe it will be it will become a hunting rifle.

Tula does make civilian models of the VSS for hunting. I don’t think they’re particularly common, but they do exist

The Al green singing just made it better 😂

When you let modern leftists work on a gun in your super woke woke simulator

Man i love this gun

I always attributed this misnaming to the VSS simply being “lost to history” in the Starfield universe.

So true 🤣

Um… If these are the “Hunting Rifles” Biden wants to restrict us too…. Cool! 😂 I’ll take 6 and turn in my boating license. (Double wammy)

I’m so glad i didn’t buy starfield. I’d be supporting their laziness.

Ah yes, the old Soviet era rifle capable of extreme precision at distance, equipped with an integrated silencer/flash suppressor, semi or full auto fire, and with enough stopping power to punch through most body armor, all rapped up with an assortment of different magazines to choose from is a “hunting rifle”

See, I could see this being confused for an old world hunting rifle, and being referred to as such by modern folks… in a world with enough (any) worldbuilding to support that idea. Written by people who care.

Bethesda is ran by a bunch of hermit nerds and not smart nerds but just weird looking people that think they know everything kind of nerds. Like how can you make a game but cant make a gun in your game function even remotely properly?

The VSS is technically in Destiny 2, presented as the auto rifles from the dark age.

Though- obviously not completely 1/1. They share a near identical body

Yeah an SVD would’ve made more sense, and even that would’ve been silly.
But they must know what a hunting rifle is, because it’s in Fallout 3 and 4. XD

I think the Bethesda knows it’s not actually a hunting rifle, that’s the joke. People in the future don’t know the history of the gun so they assume it was for hunting.

Bethesda has always been terrible when it comes to guns

Ah yes the fully automatic hunting rifle

I wish it was lol

shoots and no detail on the trigger

Fallout 4’s weird left handed hunting rifle is more an “Old Earth Hunting Rifle”,, like i feel like even an alien could see this, and understand “thats a scary military thing”

Common misconception. The news called an SKS with a mag in it an AK so you know these non-gun owners dont have the vocab to understand kinetic throwers.

orrrr just call it Russian Marksman Rifle like they did with the chinese assault rifle

Can’t believe that the animation still looks like the ones from FO3

Its an integerally surpressed assault rifle

I like to think the lore of the in-game populace ASSUME it was a hunting rifle due to a mix of how dangerous hunting is for them and how weak it is in game compared to their “modern,” guns

I have the feeling that in universe, it’s so old that people don’t actually know it was a military DMR, so they just call it a hunting rifle since that’s all they can think of it as.

oh it’s done some hunting just not 4 legged animals

Honestly, being devils advocate, maybe they were trying to be funny, showing how little we know about old earth, finding a spec ops gun and assuming it’s a hunting rifle because of the wood

Ohhhh, i finally understand why bethesda games always suck and have so many bugs.
AND why each elder scrolls game has less weapons in them.

theyre retarded

if you think about it a guy in space in the future would look at a wood funiturized gun and think earth hunting rifle

Had suppressors not been banned because of movies hunting rifles would probably be suppressed today. They were extremely popular late 1800’s-early 1900’s to retain a little of that precious hearing

These game devs are terrified of “gun people” and it shows. The guns used to have a “feel” to them. NOW they’re just awful. They’re not bringing in subject matter experts anymore.

“Old earth hunting rifle”
From archaeological perspective, about the gun being inaccurately interpret as “hunting rifle”, it is logical since with that much gap in age in the game, the information about vss being a special force weapon got distored into hunting weapon from inaccurate interpretation and stuff

The bolt not reciprocating all the way is making my kidneys shut down

Notice how in the animation of the bolt it doesn’t go far enough back to actually fully cycle a round

Hey dumbass you realize how far into the future you are in? What we have rn is consider old in that future setting. It’s embarrassing that I have to explain that to you

Rifle for hunting humans i guess

Just because it has something wood on it doesn’t automatically mean it is a “hunting rifle”. Fuck sake, Bethesda couldn’t even get the names right of real life guns. It is a VSS Vintorez.

Actually they’re not wrong I mean you start seeing those a lot in Texas New Mexico and Arizona and Colorado people actually use it for his hunting rifle you can buy one in Texas for under $500 to 1500 a built-in suppressor it is very common in Southwest as a hunting rifle and it’s not a joke it is used as a hunting rifle how to down wild pigs

I always thought that was purposely like that because it was a sci-fi game and old world relics get misidentifed, it would make sense to think its an old world hunting rifle when you grew up around rail guns and energy weapons

Doesn’t that gun shoot 9mm, real hunting caliber

I think they called it that ironically. I think they called it that as a “no can remember what it was used for”. Similar to how we dont know for 100% certainty what Stonehenge was used for.

There is a civilian hunting rifle version of VSS, in Russia, only it’s a smooth bore, for shooting shotgun shells.

They didnt even animate the trigger pull

“Technically” you could consider this gun to be a hunting rifle in game due to the different types of aliens just a thought 🤔

Rich old Hungarian guys hunt with shit like this and night vision

I mean if gun regulations and import bans weren’t cringe, it would be a based hunting rifle.

Until you realize the 700 and 70 were fielded by the military.

Well by that logic then the NCR service rifle should’ve just been plastic furniture

Why does Bethesda struggle with weapons so much

The action doesn’t go far enough back to fully eject a casing or to pick up a new round out of the magazine.

Depends on what kind of hunting

Perfect weapon for hunting. Just for a certain kind of prey.

If America was as it should be it would be a hunting rifle

That, or the game takes place in the future and your character is so removed from his ancestors that he saw an old gun and went “oh! Thats like the one from the old cartoons!” And decided it was a hunting rifle

To be fair people take ARs out hunting.

Long pig hunting rifle.

I think its naming could just be an ingame lore thing; people not knowing wtf it was originally used for so they think “Maybe it was some hunting rifle on old earth”

When I think of the word hunting rifle, I think rifle that can hunt and exist now and that rifle can hunt and exists. It’s got good rounds. It’s got good range, it’s got semiauto capability and a scope not to mention the surpressor being good for the users hearing for anyone who wanted to hunt this would work. Especially for large game and in the future of this highly fictional universe, who’s to say That there won’t be some very large game. That needs some better guns to take down

How would anything be more appropriate for a fictional space exploration game with very little realism

Also old farmer joe aint the only one who can hunt and its not only the guns he’d use that are hunting capable

SVD

I think the joke is that people in the future don’t know what it actually is.

Did your grandpa not have 3 of them in a tucked away cabinet

I hate how much I know about video games now
I miss when I used to be in disbelief that these things existed

I like to think this is one of those cases where a merchant made up a name and it stuck. Think about it, you’re selling some weird gun from over 100 years ago that you don’t know much about. You have to call it something so you can get rid of the thing.

Bethesda is just trolling all of us

Bethesda are like my left wing city friends who insist “military style” weapons should be banned then tell me my sks is an old hunter’s gun because it has a wood stock

Is it bad i know a farmer who has one for deer hunting

Leave it to Bethesda to be experts at not knowing what they are making

Its just a joke gun. Chill nerds. Chilll.

Who says you cant hunt deer in a ghillie hood and NODs?

Bethesda needs new blood desperately. And they have all the talent and enthusiasm and potential they could ever possibly need in the modding community.

Low key though, what if it’s called a hunting rifle because the modern humans don’t know enough history to know that it’s an actual combat rifle? What if they’re calling it a hunting rifle because they look at it and think “yeah, this was probably a hunting rifle of some sorts hundreds of years ago”

Technically it was a hunting rifle it was just hunting people

It’s kinda cute how clueless Bethesda is about guns 😊

They must be trolling with this at this point

I love when Bethesda contracts out a bunch of developing graphics stories and game arch’s to random tech companies in Africa and india

Think about it tho starfield is set god knows how many years in the future old tech like that I doubt they will have many archives of a weapon that’s probably hundreds of years old in game it will have been lost to time and they will have assumed what it was used for and there best guess was hunting

Also, information is lost, degraded, or misremembered/misinterpreted after large lengths of time. I could see this information being lost, some historians make up the origin of the rifle, and nobody questions it.

I think this was the gun that hurt me the most in starfield

I just wish theyd make the sniper reticals easier to see. I freaking hate trying to snipe long distance and cant see the dam reticle…

Well, it does hunt… Problem comes is that it’s typical quarry is man

I’m confused.

To people living among the stars centuries from now, obviously, they’re likely to think this was a simple hunting rifle. It’s intentional world building, not a mistake. I like to rag on Bugthesda as the next guy, but ya’ll are sooo damn dense. And slow. LMAO

Nah Bethesda knows what they were doing cause they made the fallout three hunting rifle and that’s a legit hunting rifle. I like to think it’s to show how far the game is from the old world and that people have forgotten a ton of earths history along the way. That’s why they call it a hunting rifle

Something that made me okay with this was the fact that it’s so far in the future that guns like this probably would be relegated to hunting since it’s one of the quietest guns and have you seen the size of the animals in space??

I always thought that it was called that because the actual information on it was lost to time since earth was destroyed/uninhabitable

Truly a far too low fire rate for hunting, you need at least 1.200 rpm

To be fair after a hundred years or so it probably would get the mosin treatment and become a cheap surplus rifle that people would take hunting, not that bethesda would think about that lmao

I fuckin wish

Part of me thinks it’s way too dumb of a mistake to not be an intentional poke at history being lost and object purposes being kinda guessed but the other knows it makes 0 sense for modern firearms because all their components tell the exact purpose it was designed for, it’s all based on very understood and conventional physics

coolest in game I like the name

what a stupid haha hunting rifle? lmao

these things are actually pretty popular for hunting.

it’s an iconic cold war weapon which is also great for taking deer. they’re harder to find than they used to be, but I’ve known more than a few people who hunt with them.

The bolt doesn’t even travel far enough back to cycle a round

It’s probably a joke

I’m pretty sure Bethesda is screwing up the weapon design on purpous at this point.

My headcanon (cope) is that this might’ve been used as a hunting rifle far into the future but before we colonized the stars. So this might’ve been a hunting rifle in like 2096 which would make sense because we would’ve developed better technologies by then, but not yet to the level we see in starfield. So starfield is so far into the future that a time like 2096 would be old.

See, if Starfield were good and it actually had LORE there’d be a story somewhere in game sbout how the gun experienced some sort of popularity explosion and the demand for it was so high or its involvement in a world shaping battle was so great that they became overproduced and years down the line they became dime-a-dozen weapons resulting in people using them for everything, even hunting.

The VSS would make for a great deer rifle.

Gun pedants gotta be one of the top 5 genres of dude fr

There is a bit of lore here that i don’t think ppl are considering.

The game is set 300 years in the future, this gun is the equivalent of a crossbow to us. It’s very likely this was used as a hunting rifle as humanity started colonising new planets with much sturdier animals.

Also it’s set in a fictional universe and Bethesda loves doing this sort of thing. In the Fallout world the AK series wasn’t necessarily designed by the USSR but is implied to have been designed by US gun smiths or China, the Mauser C96 was created by China as well in Fallout.

There’s no real need to look that deep into the reasoning behind these weapons in a videogame about space

Wood = Hunting in the leftist media.

Thing is one of the most iconic guns from Bethesda’s fallout games is THE FUCKING HUNTING RIFLE!!

Your a dumbass a hunting rifle would need to be more powerful for bigger threats like what’s on diffrent planets so yes it’s a hunting rifle 🤦‍♂️

Like Jakobs in Borderlands universe. But this gun should belongs to the Vladov.

I guess people on the modern universe call it old hunting because it’s old ass tech

You cry too much

On otherhand, the only thing you hunt in starfail is humans.

Hunting animals is just not worth it.

I’m gonna play devils advocate here for a second and say maybe Bethesda was trying to insinuate that future humans wouldn’t necessarily know the difference between an ancient hunting rifle vs an ancient special forces rifle, so future humans just labeled it what they thought it was, similar to the way we’ve done it with artifacts from the ancient world like the Baghdad battery. Idk tho. Just a thought.

I would assume calling this a hunting rifle to be comical

Even obsidian knows guns better than Bethesda

Of all the options, they picked the one that’s not the typical “Hunting rifle”.
They could’ve picked something like the M40 or take a page from F03/FNV and just base it off the hunting rifle from that game.

Ok I WILL defend their naming on this gun, ONLY THIS TIME. Because the game takes place so far in the future, the original use of this rifle is long forgotten. As such people just asume that it being so low tech it must have been some kind of rural hunting rifle in old earth. I think it’s rather clever and toungue in cheek. Not defending ANY of the other gun designs tho.

Just depends on what you’re hunting..

I dunno what yall are talking about, this thing is premium hunting gear in the Exclusion Zone. Pre-war, that is.

Also that charging handle doesn’t go as far back as it should because it should recess in the cutout for it

Wow they butchered the optic too. Looks like it’s drown from memory.

Oh god the bolt doesn’t even cycle a full length of travel

me when a sci-fi game doesn’t have the most realistic guns

im not happy the “old earth assault rife” or the ak 47 doesn’t have a stock

To be fair, plenty of military rifles from the first and second world wars went on to be hunting rifles through military surplus, my grandfather would hunt with an M1

Chechen Hunter

I note that the bolt doesn’t retract far enough to engage the next round. Almost like they don’t understand why the dust cover is cut away the way it is.

May not of hunted deer but something dear to a target list.

I don’t think they shoot big enough bullets to effectively take down game right?

Sir, that deer had AKM and plate carrier on him!

The vss vintorez did have a civilian variant that was used for hunting, it didn’t have a suppressor but it was heavily based in the vss vintorez, it didn’t sell well.

This actually makes sense. Given the abandonment of earth, these were recovered later, and context was lost. Your complaint in the short is what an academic studying old earth would be saying, but like the real world, most people accept the simple mistruth or outdated interpretation instead.

Dont they have a pump action shotgun where you slide the pump forward to eject the shell and then bring it back to rack another? How the hell do you fuck up something as simple as a pump action. They are in every video game ever

Vss with a wooden handle in the MOE hand guard

Banana ballistics, is this you? Btw, nice mini14 reload animation

Ahh the charging handle bolt housing doesnt even reciprocate far enoigh back to even pick up a new round…

It was used to hunt down humans

The existence of old earth implies the existence of new earth

Players: hunting rifle, that’s a vss

Bethesda: it depends on who your hunting

I mean, Spec Ops would’ve hunted and neutralized targets with this

idk how they managed to gloss over the Mosin and SKS but added a fucking VSS of all things as a “hunting rifle”

Liberal j00ish Bethesda showing how liberal and j00ish they are. 😂😂😂

that’s a goddamn VSS Vintorez

Oh, right, because hundreds of years in the future, certain weapons definitely would not become common, especially not in the modern age…COUGH COUGH AR15 GOING FROM A MILITARY WEAPON TO A COMMON CIVILIAN WEAPON COUGH COUGH

Yes its a old earth people hinting rifles not all game runs on 4 legs😂😂

Ah but it is a hunting rifle.

For the most dangerous game of all…

The VSS / AS VAL both has multiple hunting variants designed for the Russian civilian and export market, pretty much in this exact configuration (with the option of suppressed or un suppressed, and in multiple calibers)

The what i assume to be light on the barrel could be explained as a red light, which youd need for hunting at night as well, and well, the VSS optics self explanatory.

So imo, it still fits as a hunting rifle, its just not a *conventional* choice

if bethesda ever drops a good game again ill eat my shorts

i mean tbh it wouldn’t be a bad hunting rifle, lol

not crazy heavy, quiet, accurate, and fires a reasonably potent round

The grenade is old earth bouncy ball

Old Earthers be hunting deers with kevlars💀

Realistically it would be a very good hunting rifle for most medium sized game and the suppressor provides some good utilities. Downside is the bullet is relatively slow and expensive for anyone not in former Soviet land

Spetsnaz literally means special forces, so you just said “special forces, special forces”.

Lol the bolt doesn’t even go all the way back

Perhaps you don’t see the creatures that most planets have to deal with? It is for sure a hunting rifle now, they may just have a bias though

Just let them think that so I can trick the government into letting me have one.

So AK just a hunting rifle

I like to make up in game lore if I somethings messed up in a game and my thought on this is just guns have changed so much over the years that to them that might just literally be a hunting rifle

to be fair, special forces would definitely use something like a remington 700 too

that recoil is cursed

Ah yes my traditional silenced hunting rifle aimed at piercing light armor.

Well technically every rifle is a hunting rifle

Might reference the civilian models but those doesn’t have an actual working suppressor on so the usual Bethesda

I would’ve killed to have Bethesda put a mosin /ballistic bolt action that actually look good in this game

Wait, is that a right handed, by vanilla design, handmade assault rifle?

You mean they could have just FUCKING DONE IT INSTEAD of handing us left handed weapons for use on our right handed character?

Would it not be called that bc its wat the ppl of starfield would call it bc they didn’t rly know wat it was not Bethesda

Or its called that because in universe there probably isnt a lot of information on old earth firearms and so in game. People might have assumed kt was a hunting rifle.

Its because its so old nobody in the future knew what it was called, which is why its called old earth. Think before you post and sound dumb lol

the old earth makes more sense because no one knows what happen to the earth and why it’s like that 100% we find out by going there for the artifact

modern hunting rifles consist of AR15s. So I mean yeah kind of accurate…

One word can make all the difference

Its insane that a team of over hundreds of people
Non of them said a thing

Hunting people

I always though this was meant to be a joke about information getting messed up over the years… but I suppose it could have also been a poor mistake

the thing is, it’s actually pretty well modelled with correct attachments so at least one person on the team knows their shit and that then probably makes “bethesda devs are californian” claims untrue

I meeean it’s used to “hunt” soldiers?

“Old World Stealth Rifle” could work

Tbf it was a hunting rifle. Hunting people.

Why not go with a Mosin Nagant? The Mosin can literally be an old earth hunting rifle to us

I mean yeah, it’s not really a hunting rifle, but dang, i love whenever VSS appears in games.

Thought the 1911 was the only real world gun in the game

absurd that they knew and established a hunting rifle in other games and still fucked it up here

They take one look at a rifle with a scope on it that isn’t a Barret and think its for hunting

Ah yes, when a fictional universe has fictional things

Ah yes, a hunting rifle for those “Afghan Deers” that roam on top of the mountains and inside cave systems

This is really playing devil’s advocate here. But maybe, the earth got so screwed, that the VSS became your cheap stock hunting gun with its sub sonic ammunition 😂

I now like to imagine that in Bethesda alternative history Sherlock Holmes famous “deerstalker” was not in fact a hat, but his trusty VSS Vintorez hunting rifle, and he was never seen without it

You mean you don’t hunt deer with a VSS? Coward.

I think it might have been a joke but the game being garbage doesn’t help

The hoops these folks are willing to go through to know absolutely nothing about guns while they make a first person shooter are truly legendary

Well people in the game didn’t know much about our earth, so they just tried to figure out what it was and called it a hunting rifle

I mean there Is a civilian hunting rifle variant but the supresor doesnt work and Is semi auto

Why does it have so much recoil too? Didn’t it fire a 9mm round?

It’s a rifle, used to hunt.. people!

Too be fair, since a lot of infantry rifles from WW1 and before would be classified as “hunting rifles” in the modern day, I think that they where going for that/a joke about that.

Gun tech is so much more advanced that a modern day special forces designed weapon is an old farmer Joe weapon

It hunts the enemy. I guess that counts.

For a weapon intended to be used by the best the country has to offer, why does it have a DIY silencer? Just a tube with washers…

What do you hunt with tht gun?
Souls

I mean it was used for hunting just so happened to be used for hunting people

You missed the point. It’s a hunting rifle in the same way that today, a Mosin Nagant might be considered a hunting rifle. It’s also like how in Star Trek, they refer to our modern day music as “classical music”

Plus the recoil is too much for 9×39 lmao

I hunt monolith and controllers and silly wandering psy dogs with it

This is also a fucked up version of our universe.

It technically is a hunting rifle, for The Most Dangerous Game

The name is an obvious joke

im giving bethesda too much credit here, but maybe its called a hunting rifle because thats what the characters think it is, since its been so long that the standards of firearms have moved up enough that they’d look at this and think it’d only be good for recreational hunting

Personally, it makes sense cause the VSS is likely to be sold as a hunting rifle in military surplus stores if it gets replaced by a better rifle, like how the SKS got sold to farmers and hunters after the AK-47 replaced it.

Nah that’s the best gun in STALKER right there

Its funny how there are still tons of old VSS vintorez in space but not a single m4 / m16.

I hate bolt action hunting rifles like the stereotypical style used by classical American hunting bolt action rifles anyways on principle alone. So for me, the “Old Earth Hunting Rifle” was not great but tolerable and bearable in terms of usage.

In real life for hunting or any other purpose I like just 1 rifle. The Fightlite MCR Belt fed 200 round box magazine semiautomatic rifle. It can feed from standard typical AR15 magazines too. It’s the best AR15 upgrade yet.

To bring it closer to full auto you can upgrade its trigger to be a modified trigger.

The only way I’d touch a bolt action or bolt action looking semiautomatic hunting rifle is if I’m broke or if I have no other choice.

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Never played the game cause it seems to be trash, but I am a vintage gun nut. Lore-wise, how much is known about old earth? I could see some futuristic humans that don’t know WTF they’re talking about to mistake it, much as we don’t really picture what real OLD field-use weapons looked like (they were crude as hell).

This may be the ONE case where the in-game labeling may have intentionally been appropriate, and a sign of other lore.

If old earth lore is known and intact, tho, discount all i said.

I think there is an issue with time not being taken into consideration. While we may think an old winchester may be classified as an old hunting rifle, in a few hundred or a 1000 years, it would be considered ancient like a bow. If the fauna being hunted is alien then standards needed to kill a target could be different. Not trying to defend bethesda as its really leaving a bad taste in my mouth but we cant compare “old timey” to our modern perception when comparing futuristic weapons

Maybe it’s old hunting rifle

You know
After the fall of the Russia federation

I like to think that because of its obscurity and rarity, people eventually just forgot what it was and what it was used for. It’s got bulky, non-adjustable wooden furniture which doesn’t seem very tactical for a military-use rifle. It’s in an obscure caliber, whereas militaries are known for their standardisation. The PSO 1-1 scope is also very long, making it look a lot closer to a typical hunting scope than any standard military optic.

The intregal suppressor and 20 round mag would stand out, but then again maybe not. Shooting quietly would be very beneficial for hunters and suppressors certainly have a use in realworld hunting, and with your standard weapons in Starfield holding 40/50 rounds in a mag, 20 seems pretty tame by comparison.

Im pretty sure I’ve legit seen dudes use these to hunt the wild dogs and bores in Pripyat

I figured they called it that to avoid association but also to play into the loss of knowledge of the old world.

You think it’s the Ak you get in FO4 from the nuka cola dlc?

Nonono see it is a hunting rifle cause then the space atf can’t take it from you

There’s a civilian hunting variant of the VSS named “KO-VSS” made by TOZ, but that variant has a top picatinny rail and this one… it doesn’t.

The fucker doesn’t even cycle fully! Bethesda, c’mon…

In the game’s defense: Humanity has expanded so much so that (from small details in game) is that people question earth’s existence. So, in lore historians and weapon merchants could misidentify items

there was a civilian version of it I think.

To be fair, and I’m not trying to defend Bethesda, but the game is set far into the future and it could’ve been used as a hunting rifle at some point because there would be more advanced weapons and better armor and stuff like that. I know they probably did just see the wood stock and say it’s a hunting rifle, but I could also see how it could fit into lore and stuff

Starfield guns are sci fi not because of the setting but because they are all clueless about guns in general. Even the sci fi one have some bs mechanism that would definitely never worked irl.

Yo if this is a hunting rifle I’ll take 3 😂

Starfield takes place in the 24th century. At that point the VSS is a part of old forgotten history.
That be like us calling the blunderbuss an ancient shotgun. Which we already do so I don’t really see any flaws in the the name “Old Earth Shotgun”

not regarding hunting laws – but also reasonable speaking every firearm is a hunting firearm. The caliber + barrel length determines the animal that’s best suited in question.

Don’t mind me. I’ll just slap a wooden stock on a GAU 8 avenger gattling gun and go hunting in the woods.

Funny you say Model 70, though, bc they’re one of many rifles used by US Scout Snipers

THEY HAD HUNTING RIFLES IN FALLOUT BOW COULD THEY FUCK THIS UP????

Old earth marksman rifle would be better appropriate but like thats such a nothing burger

What’s ironic to me is how this is the most realistically functional gun I’ve ever seen Bethesda model and animate.

Every thing is a hunting rifle

Well ulrainian hunters do now

To be fair, the vintorez would be a pretty damn good hunting rifle. Not for extreme ranges ofc, but the high stopping power and the quiet shooting make it pretty good for hunting at night

My assumption is because of so much of history being lost to time because of the move off of earth is that any of these spacers find they see it as so low tech that it’s only suited for hunting. I mean a suppressor and scope seem pretty useful for hunting.

It’s weird how that’s also one of the only guns you find from old earth. Not a M4, not even an AK if I remember correctly

I mean, the vss was used for hunting. It hunted journalists

So they can do right handed reloads

I also love that the bolt carier moves, but not back enough, BUT THE BOLT IS FIXED!!

Oh it’s a hunting rifle alright, it’s used to hunt Pseudodogs!

I don’t think it’s too much of a leap to assume the idea of a hunting rifle might be a bit different in a universe where humans have inhabited the entire milky way

in my head i always though it was called a hunting rifle because starfield was so far in the future, that the people who found them thought it was used for hunting, idk food for thought

I can’t tell you how much this annoys me, I really wish it was something more along the lines of a sporterized 98 pattern Mauser

Well, it IS a hunting rifle… it just hunts people

I mean you could use it as a hunting rifle idk how good I’ll be tho lol 💀

I mean, the game takes place in the far, FAR future.

So it probably did become a generic hunting rifle, happened multiple times, like the M1903 Spingfield or even (iirc) the Mosin Nagant

Vss being a civilian sniper is insane how tf?
Used this gun in stalker gamma as a main infiltration to camps and base because of its high penetrating power, its not a cheap deer shooting rifle. 😭😭

It’s a “hunting rifle” if you live in the US and want to try and play word games around why gun laws are needed.

Clear Sky’s protagonist’s weapon sure fits in a futuristic ”space odyssey”.
Couldnt put in fo, where itd made more sense, but had that dog shit assault rifle.

The game is set in 2310 so ‘old’ ingame is not necessarily old for us in 2024. 300 years ago a musket was a soldier’s weapon, now its a relic. Why wouldn’t it be the same for a dragonov?

Gun nuts cant get over themselves

To be fair, this could be an interpretation of the people who simply don’t know what a normal hunting rifle is.

But it’s Bethesda so it’s probably not the reason.

I am happy it’s in the game tho

Im pretty sure they just added the old world guns because wed ask for them and mod them in anyway. Lmao give the devs a little more credit. ya gotta think..the vss is primitive as fuck compared to the rest. So it makes sense theyd just use it to hunt. Plus..im pretty sure no one knows who or what the soviets are anymore. Love the shorts tho! Subbed

Isn’t this also terrible for hunting anyway?

Extremely high penetration, low velocity. You need to adjust for bullet drop more than usual.

Do you think people in the game would know that? They haven’t been on Earth For a long time… I know you get paid to hate Bethesda but come on.

Russian space magiks!

Could of been that Bethesda is saying it has been produced to be a hunting rifle in the future, but I doubt it still

Meanwhile Americans use AR15s for ‘hunting’ purposes.

I kinda chalk it up to old earth weapons got “ lost in translation “ essentially

I can see the Vss vintorez/As val being called a hunting rifle because it IS used for hunting most wanted criminals, terrorists and the people the spetsnaz hates the most.

It’s probably bc the game takes place in the future and during one point from now and when the game takes place it was used for hunting

I’m going to play devils advocate, and say that maybe it’s a lore thing? Like since the game takes place in the future and earth is destroyed, maybe whoever found it thought it was a hunting rifle. But then again it is Bethesda so they probably didn’t put in that kind of effort

They came so close with this, and then stumbled right at the finish line. That bolt only goes back far enough to feed .22 or pistol ammo, and not .357 or .44 either.

Still, its a massive improvement over the dogshit weapons in Fallout 4.

Bethesda 100% knew what they were doing with this gun. They literally have “not an AK” in the fallout series.
They called it an old earth hunting rifle because it would have been so old by the time humans got off the planet it would have been a civilian rifle, the same way weapons from WW1 and 2 are being used as hunting rifles now.

Idk it fits with earth being a lost civilisation and dead planet that current humans wouldn’t know the use for the gun due it being 100s of years old

Bethesda: wood = civilian

The problem with Bethseda along side thousands of other problems is that, they can’t tell the difference on left and right or right and wrong.

1. Age means forgotten stuff
2. It IS a hunting rifle in russia

I mean it is a hunting rifle, just meant to hunt down people

Maybe lore wise they don’t know it’s purpose due to it being so old?

Well I mean the special forces of any nation are basically used to humans. Calling it a hunting rifle is both correct and incorrect. How many terrorists have the US special forces alike hunted down? Not to mention all the other special forces around the world. You don’t have to like it, but you know I’m right. Just because you specifically don’t like Bethesda DOES NOT mean it’s ran by idiots.

The bolt isn’t even fully cycling XD

Thats not related to the AK at all

What drives me nuts is they could have just used the far more recognized, famous, and beloved Dragunov, which was produced for Civilian use under the name of Tiger.

Honestly, I think this is a nodd to stalker where the vss was used in hunting mutants.

A better name *The old silent communist*

The VSS Vintourez was indeed a hunting rifle!

It was used by the spetsnaz to hunt people

It’s probably the application it saw itself in after the whole earth event

I think this was deliberately wrong. Lorewise – it’s an ancient earth relic that’s been misunderstood by the people who’ve long forgotten it’s history.

If Bethesda really cared about weapon logic, they’d put VPO-209 Molot, VPO-102 Vepr-Hunter or VPO-215 Gornostay as “Old Earth hunting rifle” (or any other gun from VPO series because they specifying on civilian hunting rifles)

Bethesduuh is so f*cking bad…

Human hunting rifle????

Only Bethesda using VSS to hunting deer.

Special Forces Spetsnaz has that Chai Tea vibe going for it, since Spetsnaz means Special Forces.

To he fair there is a long history of civilians using old military surplus weapons to hunt with as the numbers they are produced in, when they are replaced for service, make them incredibly cheap.

Vintorez is an amazing weapon.

It’s an old earth gun being viewed 200+ years in the future
One guy finds it and goes oh this is a hunting rifle and then they are known as a hunting rifle
Kinda like how the bolt actions of WW2 were turned into hunting rifles

I hated this game so much dude, I played the shit out of Fallout 4 (even if the storytelling is dogshit) and New Vegas. The gameplay for Fallout 4 was so fun especially for melee builds, also the gore not being the same in Starfield just killed it for me.

9 × 39 in Lancaster barrels is often used for deer hunting in Russia due to regulations. Yes, I know it was “designated marksman rifle” in a highly specific units 60 years ago, but time changes.

I mean so far in the future, an old world military rifle would probably be a hunting rifle. Relative to the timeframe this would be similiar to an old springfield rifle

I mean, to be fair, (the fact I’m using both terms shows how weak this argument is) from what little I’ve played, it’s set so far in the future that Earth itself has been lost to myth. So, if this design has somehow stuck around long enough to be remanufactured, it’s likely that its history would also be long lost, therefore calling it an “Old Earth Hunting Rifle” in-game wouldn’t actually be too much of a stretch as far as lore is concerned.

But I also don’t like giving free credit where it’s undue. Bethesda obviously didn’t care to think that hard about it (or seemingly anything besides extraction of profit) and I find myself in agreement with the “Google Image ‘Gun’ and Done” theory

Someone labeling a firearm as a hunting rifle simply because it has wooden furniture is the ultimate display of ignorance. I can guarantee that whatever dev named this weapon will die on the hill of claiming ARs are a million times more dangerous and destructive than the mini -14…

I assumed it was just because the gun was so old the in universe characters could only guess at its purpose

This is literally how gun control legislators think

Human hunting rifle

i wouldn’t mind it being called that if like, they somehow lost any and all info on old earth weapons, could just be they assumed it was a convenient hunting rifle, BUT its bethesda and they don’t have that level of possible world building coherence, see for exemple, the 1911 being a revolver now for some reason.

Arnt these extremely rare in real life? it would be easier to get the more modern AS Val and much more easy to find a legal un suppressed version pretty sure brandon herrera owns one but had to manufacture his own suppresser due to legal issues

Some of the most common rifles poor hunters used were military surplus rifles because they were cheap

Or maybe earths history is somewhat forgotten

It’s cooler if you imagine people have forgotten the true purpose of the weapon and assume it’s an “old earth hunting rifle” because it’s old and has wooden parts. But then again, I don’t play the game lol

Could be an unreliable narrator thing. It’s labeled hunting rufle because in universe they don’t know what the fuck it is

Are we not gonna talk about how the character doesn’t pull the trigger, yet the gun fires by itself?

It was used to hunt mountain folk

The AK’s cooler cousin

Way to fix this would be easy with world building. Wild life being crazy lead to large full capacity ak being used for game instead of the sniper like rifles used today because we don’t want hunters wiping out whole species. Sadly Bethesda doesn’t care enough to do anything like that.
Ak vs ar in that situation would actually be justified by cheap price and reasonable reliability.

That is a civilan weapon, it appears to based on the ADAR

Well technically you could use it to hunt

It actually sounds about right although the hunting part probably refers to human targets.

I meannnnn you could use it for hunting.

I swear Bethesda just pisses me off these days, the sheer amount of laziness and idgaf attitude with anything they do is astounding.

Honestly I always interpreted it as humanity was so far gone, that alot of information relating to certain weapons was lost, so the VSS’s history was unknown, and people just assumed it was an overkill hunting rifle

That bolt and chamber doesn’t even make sense for the magazine and implied caliber lol

Mosins where military rifle at one point up until a few years ago there where cheap and easy to get so that’s what they were used for hunting

At one time bows was height of weapon technology only used for wars are now there used in competitions and just hunting

My point his at one point it was a military riffle but give it a few decades and it will be a hunting rifle so you can’t be mad at Bethesda for that one

‘Probably’ nah thats exactly what they thought it was, judging on all the other ‘guns’ they designed.

For real hire me please I may not have my degree in gun smiting from the greatest Sonoran Desert Institute but please for the love of God I could help you not only name but even tell you how to animate it and how it works.

Special forces and spetznaz are the same thing

Yall dont hunt with a vss vintorez😒, peasants

While it is strange thinking of a VSS as a hunting rifle, you chose two rifles that have been used as snipers’ rifles by the United States Military.

I mean the SKS and dragunov are sold as hunting rifles so it would make sense that eventually the VSS will be sold as one too

Yes, it’s a hunting rifle, it hunts Ukranians sadly.

As the VSS in game doesnt have full auto, we can assume it may actually be a VO-VSS, which is a civilian variant of the VSS designed for hunters

Sir Brandyboy, if your a modded at all port the fallout 10mm, to starfield,

Hunting human beings the name is fitting given it’s designed purpose

Remember if you knew nothing about what the rifle was for because of lost knowledge it’d make sense they’d call it something dumb and unrelated to the actual purpose for it.

Tbh with enough time they might be surplussed, it’s like how we hunt today with rifles built on the AK and AR platform, in Russia there is a civilian vss but it lacks a working suppressor and it’s semi only

Probably in the year 3000. When all of the world armies starts using antimatter, plasma and laser rifle. Weapons such as the VSS became a civilian weapon

VSS + wooden handguard = hunting rifle 😂
Probably for hunting 6ft mammals in body armor.
Also recoil like he shooting 20mm cartridge from anti aircraft gun)

In the starfield universe it’s illegal to hunt with high velocity ammo and without a silencer. Causing a chain reaction that made integrally suppressed weapons to become the norm for hunting. Hence the vss

I assume the people that named it just didn’t know what it actually was canonically

In a thousand years people will say we used deagles to hunt large predators. All thing get lost with time and translation. It’s the same reason the design behind the radioactive/nuclear symbol was taken so seriously. They know that as long as radioactive material is going to take to decay, they want a symbol they feel like will outlast the need for its meaning.

Sad thing is, the artist that modeled, textured and rigged this thing likely knew exactly what it is. But with how huge these game companies are now, the people who set up the weapon for gameplay, probably never even met the artists

I feel like they made the names wrong because it’s been so long since anyone has used it or even been to earth they didn’t know what it was used for

This is a really dumb take. The weapon name in game is “old earth hunting rifle”, its obviously named as such for lore and worldbuilding purposes.

It doesn’t take a genius to know what an AK is, they devs obviously knew what it was.

I think the ingame reason it’s called a hunting rifle is because the VSS is an old ass gun by the 2300s, so the UC and Freestar probably assumed, based of the scope and built-in silencer that it was some kind of hunting rifle.

Hunting for cryptids.

The only time they make a gun realistic.. it is so realistic that it becomes stupidly unrealistic.
Bethesda are idiots

hey, it might be a hunting rifle from what we know now about the Russian military-

It’s probably called that because the modern spacefaring people don’t know what it was and assume it was a hunting rifle

It hunted humans

I wish the vss was a hunting rifle. Talk about a coom cannon.

It fits in with Starfield having a hige amount of lost history the VSS to us is obviously a soecial forces carbine, but a few centuries in the future it would easily be mistaken for a hunting rifle

Personally l choose to believe its weird in universe misnomer. As in, people in starfield don’t know what it really is

If anyone has this very cheap hunting rifle and wants me to take it off their hands, I’ll be in contact🤣

To be fair, it’s hundreds of years in the future.

Maybe this one is meant to be a misconception by the characters themselves, so I’ll give it a pass

In the lore i think it could make sense that they lost track of history and the people in the ships only have vague descriptions of the way people lived in the past. Like they never preserved any bolt action rifle or picture of those guns.

I actually like the idea that it was, in-lore, misidentified as a hunting rifle for its low velocity and its wooden furniture.

the most non-cursed gun in the entire game

Maybe there is space deer there. You don’t know.

I like that the Bolt does not even cicle far enough to actually chamber the next cartridge.