Final Fantasy XVI on paper is awesome. In practise however, it is boring, unsatisfying, and its elements are mishandled. It’s designed like an MMO (despite being a single player game).

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I cant take this guys opinion seriously

I was already out when it was a single character and had absolutely no turn based combat in it. As soon as it was clear it was closure to god of war then ff I was out

I enjoyed the game and its themes, and as much as it does misstep on some of its writing, pacing, and world building, I think it’s still a decent game. Does it live up to other FF games? No, it misses the mark a bit. But it can has some solid foundation and good (though not my style) gameplay, and you can definitely see where they were trying to go with it

The only thing that bothered me was Jill wasnt there for the final fight Its also not some woke “they left out the girl how dare they!” its because i want the full party for the ending. I get they were dieing and she especially and i was super excited their was a love story in Final Fantasy again. Which i think is a key thing about them as well. But felt betrayed i didnt get Shiva/Ifrit/Phoenix fighting side by side. Im just gonna let my lover go alone to save the world and then her actually doing exactly that was so stupid lol

Despite its flaws I was more invested in the Clive/Joshua story in FF16 than I was with COE33, despite COE33 having an objectively better overall story. I think in hindsight a lot of the reason why is because Ben Starr’s best VA in FF16 was all in some way related to Joshua, and took me a few reruns of the game to really notice the flawed writing and plot holes.

The pacing of FF16 does feel like a FF14 expansion for single player with better graphics.

The one major letdown for me with FF16 is the combat, and maybe that is with hindsight following COE33. The DLCs really highlighted this, and to this day I still haven’t got the Platinum Trophy for FF16 because of how clunky a lot of the combat is for the Trials. FF16’s combat style aged very poorly.

I did enjoy 16, it’s one I enjoyed a lot. But I completely understand the problems that the game had. And I’ve shown your shorts to my friends who wanted to learn my love hate relationship with the series

My thought process is 16 was the introduction for me…if that’s the worst there is…it’s only up from here boyos let’s goooo

Sebb always vasually spittin facts 🎉

I agree with all of this.

I report you for sexual abuse on Joshua

Ff16 could be great if it was a trilogy or something like that because it give it to you so much informations about the universe but we interact with almost nothing so at the final it’s to much…

Your takes on ff16 killed me 😂😂😂

is this guy a voice actor

It makes you question yourself. “Am i emotionally dead inside or is the game just bad at telling stories”.
Thank god its just the game

Look it was a bit slow paced but over all the story was good it feels bloated to some because there was alot to cover older ff fans are used to short fast story stuff and long slow level grinds so the change to a faster game play and leveling system means even the old stories would feel longer i believe ff 16 was over all a great game with a good story not the best story ff has ever produced but honestly better than anything not an mmo since 10

I didn’t like the fact they used ff14 devs on 16.

Im tired of people putting expediction 33 as example its a decent game but its a average modern rpg i reccomend you all to actually play modern rpgs and you see that game its not special

U are nitpicking. Ff16 is fire. And ive been playing FF since nes…u dont like the writing. Cool. That doesnt make an ACTION GAME bad….the action being bad makes and action game bad. Now if the writing AND combat was bad…especially bad turned based combat, THEN u can say they GAME is bad

Zhanks… The Start of 16 was nice.. seeing all this things, ifrit and all.. but then.. the gameplay, the story, all does dialogs.. it bored me so fast i didn play it to the end… maybe got like 50% of the Story

Eikon fights took way too long and were not fun, story was not great and some parts like what you mentioned were so dumb, combat so bad I tried to avoid fighting as much as possible…this, rebirth and now Dawntrail has me worried for the future of FF. When XVI makes XV look good you know they are in trouble lol.

“He starts lore dumping as he dies in his arms!”

I hate it SO MUCH when someone is “dying” and decides “I’m drop insane lore for the next 15 dialogue boxes”

You are both so hilarious and so right about this.

i will say this

16 is actually the first FF my gf was introduced to ( she didnt care for sci fi FF, she liked high fantasy DnD like stories )

We adore Clive, we love his story as a character, however i WILL ADMIT that with the Clive goggles off that the writing and pacing of 16 was SUCH A SLOG. It had really cool lore but looking back there were plenty of times where i was waving my hand going ” come on get on with it ”

I still defend ff16 as a fun game, the gameplay was fun and the boss fights were cool ( although a lot of it is flavored by the soundtrack for the game, and i will die on this hill that ff16 has REALLY GOOD music when it wants to go off the walls )

Clair Obscur writing is 10/10 though

Compare 16 to 9 and X. I don’t want to see 17 at all.

So many based takes. I unsubscribed just so I could subscribe again.

I don’t care how popular it was. Game of Thrones ruined media.

But the worst part of the game was the side quests. They’re so tedious

The worst in this writing-style is that only Clive believes that Joshua is dead, because you see like 30s after his “death” in the intro, that he is fucking alive. So you “suffer” through Clive’s misery for HOURS, knowing it’s all for nothing. And after Cid is gone, yeah – Clive just become a cheap copy of Cid, so that they got rid of the bad character they created.
And Jill… this woman is so obssed with Clive, for no reason. They dont have any really deep moments together and in the moment she says “Yeah, it’s my time for plot” you are not even get the chance to fight as her… she is just flying around while Clive beats the butt of her nemesis.
And yeah, the fights are really only a Hd Remake of the 14 fights, they even reused the icons for the items in the inventory….
16 was a disappointment through and through.

FF16 started strong but got lost along the way. Real shame, it had a chance at being the first good FF since 10.

ff16 was ok. it was just to long for the co.bat scheme it had. it need more of an abundance of abilities. the same 5 basic hits was annoying. i kmow you jad eikon abilities but u only jad 2 eikons for the first 10 to 15 hours of the game. thebside content wad usueless and it needed a varety of different weapons with their own combos.

Wow I didn’t notice that your so right, less is more, I’m here, I know, I know, it makes you want more like my god they didn’t get to say everything but they kinda did, and it’s amazing cause it’s actually less work lol 2 lines done.

People don’t talk enough about how dumb the AI is in 16. You can just stand there for minutes and the enemies literally won’t do shit. Outside of like 3 bosses the game is laughably easy.

ff15….sucks. I loved 16.

I mean I get the criticisms for Rebirth and 16 but I was addicted to both of those games and got the platinum for both. I will say Rebirth’s platinum had me rethinking my sanity by the end.😅 The difficulty spike thrown at you for those final few trophies was insane.

Final Fantasy 16 is much better if you’ve never played FF14.

I won’t defend 98% of ff16’s writing

Yet I will say there was some great lines in there

But ff16 had a dog. Lol

The writing of FF16 is like the writing of Dragon Age Vielguard. I rest my case

Yoshi P is a terrible director imo. Bland and unimaginative. He needs a strong writing team to tell him no sorry dawn trail is crap

the setup was so good but the writing was ehhhh questionable. The Odin fight was so weird after it got setup to be eclipsing Bahamut. and Ultima…… Ultima

16 had so many cool things going for it. But god did it become a drag. Side missions felt so awful to go through. How after a fight with Titan where you changed the entire landscape of a massive portion of a continent, do you go to pick flowers for medicine and kill a couple of wolves attacking a town.

I like 16 but yea, you’re right

XVI was really good right until about the halfway point, even after Cid died there were still incredible moments like the entire conflict with Bahamut, and I’m not just talking about the spectacle, but the narrative as well.

Unfortunately, it was all downhill past Bahamut’s chapter.

Not a big fan of Final fantasy but I can say I’ve played 7,8,10 and 6 and 16 compared to them Story wise is lame, but combat wise prefer 16 not a fan of turn based rpg. That’s one of the reasons why my Forever Best Final fantasy is always Dissida 012 Duodecim. Honestly wished more people talked about it.

U fckn blow ass

I hate FF7, but I like FF16 a lot.

Well,this is a super bad hot take.

Wow huge spoiler in that YT shorts

Clearly they decided to turn FF16 into an advertisement for their mmo..

Honestly, it’ll never happen but…I just want my remake of FF6. Can you imagine how good that would look in a gritty dark 3d retelling?

Guess I am not playing 16 until it is truly on sale like 50% off, was already put of by the dmc wannabe gameplay and basically no party member. This just seal the deal for not playing it at this price.

hear me out…

eikon may cry

I’m absolutely obsessed with FF, the only main entry I’ve yet to play currently is 11 because I didn’t have a good enough PC and I had to take a break at the start of Heavensward because of college. But otherwise I’ve played a version of all of them, 1-16, 4 the After Years, Dirge of Cerberus, Crisis Core, VII Remake and Rebirth, X-2, the entire Ivalice Alliance (Minus Vagrant Story), the XIII Trilogy and Type-0, Dissidia, 012 and NT, Dimensions, World of FF, Kingdom Hearts, Bravely Default and Second (still need 2). And I’m not stopping until I’ve played as many as I possibly can. Square please make the delisted IOS stuff playable in some capacity! I missed my chance the first time! 16 was definitely an amazing new entry, some stuff could’ve definitely been tightened up, but the sheer awe I had during its best moments I’ve not felt in a game for a long while. Remake and Rebirth as well blew my mind as well, it felt like such a labor of love for not just the original VII but the franchise as a whole, I felt like a giddy little kid the entire time. Like holy shit they actually made XIII’s stagger system fun! They brought back IX’s weapon ability system! The mini games are actually playable! Gilgamesh makes a return! They’ve definitely picked up some of the slack from the XIII/XV era of stuff, just wish the company as a whole could get its shit together

i enjoyed ffxvi until i got lore dumped on repeatedly. It really sucked the joy out of the game when it required you to sit through minutes of exposition that, frankly, don’t matter before you can move on.

The best part of the game, to me, was the twist involving Barnabas being an akashic and turning the entire kingdom he ruled into akashics. Probably because the pacing involving Barnabas built him up as a badass.

It makes me really pissed off that 15 is more hated than 16 and that really freaking breaks me and you know you just add you know swearing and sex and what not to 16 and that automatically gets people into the game like when 15 first came out that automatically was my favorite final fantasy game.

Then when 16 trailer dropped I was like oh this looks so cool and then it was just this darker like MMO based fantasy game it was like they took Lord of the rings and just kind of just slapped the final fantasy title on there.

I saw it Clive and Jill’s dynamic with some of the best romance I’d seen in a final fantasy game but The story just I don’t know I didn’t really feel like I could connect with any of the characters.

While with 15 I could connect with every single character even Sid and Cor. Even the side characters I could connect with in 15 and I’m not going to lie when Clive died I did not shed a single tear I was just like his sacrifice was just weird.

Now when Luna died I was devastated I thought I’m the most broken man on this planet just from seeing a fictional character die. And then they broke me more by having noctis sacrifice himself so he could be with Luna and finally keep Ayrden out of the way. Many tears were shed mostly for me and you know me I’m a 23-year-old grown ass man and yet it still broke me.

What happened to attacking the problem and argument but not the person. Contradictory and hypocritical much😂

Most metal gear solid in the nut shell

Did we play different FF16s? Because the game I played was filled with emotion and love and incredibly well done acting and writing? Perhaps you think LOTR was paced wrong?

Final Fantasy XVI bored me to death: kudos to everyone who actually endured it to the end. I gave up by the time I got to Odin

I just liked Clive as a character and I enjoyed the gameplay. Story agreed great on paper, but heeeeaaaavy on dialog.

saying Yotsuyu is the worst written villain is insane

I still think FF7Remake/Rebirth is way worse than FF16

This guy is a professional hater

Thank u for the Spoiler-Warning, so i could stop ♡ by the end of this month i will buy the game ,so yea thanks 🙂

FF16 is a bit too theatrical at times but at least it is fun to play. The only thing i remember from FF15 is driving the car with dancing mad on the radio (and i got platinum on both 😂)

Final Fantasy XV had really good story it just sucks that it was like a live action model type of game instead of a real RPG

I can’t seem to finish this game either. I can’t finish Final Fantasy rebirth either both games just seem way too drawn out. And when you do have fights and stuff it’s just anticlimactic. It sucks because I want to be heavily invested in these games but they’re just not good anymore

Hammer meets nail. Like for real.

Cough…. FF16…. Cough…. with turned based combat…. Cough…. With an actual party…. Cough…. With an actual halfway decent story….. Cough…. And maybe throw in A Sakaguchi clone for added effect.

If SE had done this, FF16 would have been one of the best selling Mainline Final Fantasy games of all time….. Crazy how FF13 (The original versions specifically) sold triple the amount FF16 with much less effort and with way more scrutiny

I lost interest right after I gained garuda. So 😴

16 is so fun gameplaywise. But i just didn’t feel the story. It was so…. meh. Just as you said, a lot of info dump, a lot of exposition, weird pacing through, 5 year long time skips. You just don’t feel the connection between characters, because all they do is info dump between each other. Even this scene that was supposed to be the peak romantic scene of the game was like 4 minutes of dialogue trying to move the plot instead of cementing those two as characters.

And you don’t know what opinion is
I can understand the problems you have with side quests, but don’t you touch the story it is beautiful, and you’ve put up the most pathetic attempt at saying why it isn’t
And yeah, I rewatched Joshua’s death scene 10 times and I still think it’s a masterpiece

And this is why I never bought it. It’s written like an MMO and it plays like a western ARPG. I don’t want those things. I want an FF game.

I’m enjoying it.

Benedikta had a lot of potential as a character. But then she died. I liked her and Cid the most man.

Once they both got killed off the game got really dull.

You just don’t fucking like anything

Personally I think FF16 was incredible until after the Bahamut fight. Side quests def needed a lot of work though.

Bad pacing sure, but was a great story

I really honestly hate this way of thinking. Because ff16, while mid af, is still someones favorite and they enjoy everything about it. And its talk like this that makes people feel bad and like their subjective opinion is wrong and they’re stupid and wrong for having it

The difference between FF16 and Expedition 33 is that the writers understood and embraced the importance of SHOW, DON’T tell in this medium format in 33. They let the actions, and the expressions of the characters to show the situation with as few words as possible and where it counts. If you wanna info dump/expositions have it separate and in the recordings to further expand the world you create. The characters LIVE in it and respond to the world they live in. Not go about lecturing the audience like it’s some soap opera seminar.

16 was a chore. Side missions back and fourth was just boring. If you focus on just the main story its incredibly short. I was so hyped for 16, such wasted potential of the world and lore

Seriously L take… FF16 was a freaking masterpiece. Only 3 games have made me cry. ME3, FF16 and OOT. I will admit it was mainly the music, and 80% of the game was filler and bloated dumb dialoug but man that 20% was the definition of EPIC!

So you mean Yoshi-P just made a FF game that’s a Dragon quest game? yeah that tracks.

“If you don’t agree with me, you’re wrong” you must be fun at parties lol

When Cid died I peaced out

I never thought i’d forget a final fantasy game existed but until now i forgot FF16 was a thing.

Write a story then

At a certain point you’re going to have to admit you’re just a snob….It’s not like expedition 33 is perfect there are plenty of flaws with it too yet you love it.

@Sebbywebz I’m surprised you didn’t mention clive’s mom

I thought Joshua’s passing was very touching. Not his rambling but when voice remembers him as a child, the first time he met his brother made me emotional because my older sister always tells me how the first thing I did when she met me was grab her finger and how she’ll always remember that. Having Clive remember the exact same thing made me love their relationship even more. I’ve commented before when you bashed 16, and the dialog is different in Japanese, i think Clive is way more likable in Japanese than in English.

16 has the 14 expansion bore at it’s midpoint before it picks up again.

It’s very wild when you play 14 since 2015 and see the same written steps that they take.

Great opening. Strong lore. Boring ass midpoint that players skip since it puts them to sleep or that just do not care. And then the ending picks up with the final boss.

Boom main base game story done- now you add in the patch story which can be throwing darts at board.

Whomever is writing for 7 Remake they’re making it at least unique while keeping in OG silliness.

In ff16… the only reason I remember the MC’s name is because I also play tekken…
And I’m a huge ff fan

16 on paper is like a game i always wanted as a teenager.

“Broo like what if the next FF had like better kindom hearts combat and was less scifi. And had sex in it”

Yotsuyu worst villain? Ok now I know he’s trolling

Yoshi P is overrated

clair obscure can lick my ifrit ass

the game is fucking epic man you dont know nothing

Well sorry mate expedition 33 has a lot of boring moments if not for that battle system i would not find a reason to move forward 😂

To me, FFXVI had such 10/10 sections but you often had to go through hours of awfully paced 7/10 content to get to them. But when it was a 10 it was a bloody 10. “I am a shield of Rosaria… AND I WILL DO MY DUTY!” will never not hype me up.

But I absolutely agree that the final lore dump was an awful decision, it literally brought the finale of the game to a halt and killed all of its momentum. I was like “Josh my boy, we can swim back to the hideout, get you patched up and swim back here and there would still be lore to spare, come on man.”

FF10 storyline will always be FF goat.

Totally disagree but its good to see differing opinions

I love FFXVI. Yeah, I don’t know anything about writing. I am not an author nor a writer. It’s not my profession. I may be wrong. But ultimately, all that matters to me is whether I enjoyed what I paid or not 🙂 And I’m leaning more on the former.

Yeah we went from 15 which hit with a dark story but by the end i felt like we took our land back atleast to 16 which was to me litterally just depressing.

Eikon fights reminded me of fighting the epitaphs in .hack G. U.

I kinda digged it.

I don’t know what it takes to cry at a gomage, especially when you find out that they’re just fictional characters

Ben made Clive awesome and I did like the fights/overall story but the bloat was really bad and took me out of the stuff I liked lol

Can’t defend the writing of 16 just as much I as I can’t 14.. storytelling isn’t BU3’s strong point (I honestly don’t know what their strong point is any more) which is wild considering they develop in a gene where the games are story centric.

i can defend it, just putting it side by side to ff13 and 15 and 7remake, ff16 writting is shakespeare

I personally enjoyed the story

I loved 16’s combat and thats literally it. So much cool shit and tech wasted on a horrid story, characters etc.

I do wish i could dis agree but outside combat i straight up forgot ff16s story till you mentioned it,i only remember the main bits. Compare that to ff15 which is debatabley a worse game but i find myself thinking of not just the gameplay but the story of that aswell very often. People forget that when it comes to games especially rpgs a characters story is just as crucial as how he/she moves or fights if not more so

Thank you for saying this. It wasn’t that good of a game. I put it down after 13 hours in, and never felt the feeling to go back. Just felt boring. All the big moments are broke up with 2x the amount of just boring fluff.

Way too many people that glaze this title, go play DMC it’ got more susbtance that FFXVI.

And don’t reply with some book long defense of this title. I won’t read all that, and you are just proving my point in being a “glazer”. If you feel the need, go find a subreddit to rage on. I won’t feed into your childish need for opinion approval. 🤷

I know this is a complaint about 16, but i would love to hear Sebby talk about 15 😂

Oh my God you had me rolling on the explaination of the ff16 death scene LMAO

Ngl Joshua’s death in 16 started out devastating and ended up being unintentionally hilarious. It felt like the mask when he fake dies in the guys arms and spitting out old movie quotes. lol

Let’s fkkkkkk GO! bro…. BRO.

Oh I hate the boss fights…just let me fight. Don’t put cut scenes in the middle of a damn boss fight 😡🤬

ff16 is a testament to why solo character action games should only be 10-15 hours long max.
Playing as only one character for 60+ hours is boring af.
Yes you get more stuff added to his kit through the game, but he still plays samey the whole game.

If they stick to the action I hope it is more like Tales of or Star Ocean in the future. At least with those you can swap around the character you play with their own gameplay identity and if you want to go extra sweaty you can play all the characters as once..

song of roland and the mahabarada conditioned me that people can have dying chapters where their brains are leaking out, but cool shit needs to happen while people are dying. not a stupid lore dump.

I loved FF16 for the pure spectacle and soundtrack, game was very stylish too, but it is an incredibly flawed game

Ff16 is the worst final fantasy I ever played

16 has so many systems that also feel like they should just never have been added since they are so bare bones. But for me the big thing I just HATED about the writing was when Cid’s daughter appears and how insufferable she is and I go why should I care about this girl besides that she is Cid’s? Well maybe if I went and read all the lore about what happened in the time skips I would know but I refuse to read stuff that should be in the story and not some book.

I’m going to be that guy, but the Eikon Boss fights were the worst part of 16 alongside the writing XD

I liked yotsuyu 😢

They lore dump so much in rhe last chapter that it made no sense. Ultima looks good but shit he is boring

I think the overall writing of 16 is good but the dialogue writing is bad. It felt like Joshua was there just to expo dump sometimes but for me that didn’t take much away from it. Granted I had finish 15 prior which is dogshit so.

Who did exposition worse. FF16 lore dumping before death or SAO lore dumping everytime theyre in a cafe?

I tried the FF16 demo. The world map is like a mobile game. I actually played the game for like 10 minutes out of like 2 hours. The progression is a joke. The exploration and loot is shallow. I was greatful for the demo. I definitely will not buy this game.

I think ff16s pacing issues dive deeper than just it’s writing. The writing IS ass, don’t get me wrong, However what turned me off of it was the bossfights. They felt so long and drawn out that I just got bored with it. I had never felt like a cinematic bossfight was added to pad run time until i got to bahamut in ff16.

When the combat is quick, snappy, and I get to do cool combos against trash mobs, the game is fantastic. The moment people start to open their mouths or an important fight is happening, I just lose interest.

you can have an opinion, but if you have to claim “if you like [think you dislike] then you’re wrong” then you’re just a bitch who can’t handle people having a different opinion on a GAME, honestly. Denying other people a different opinion than your own on a fucking video game just SCREAMS insecurity and projection with your own opinion. I can respect someone disliking a game I like; but I will never respect someone acting like I’m not allowed to like it if they didn’t.

I’ve been saying Yoshi P needs to stick with XIV and not take on another mainline title, he absolutely regurgitated the worst parts of it onto XVI

😂😂😂 he ain’t wrong about that dying lore dump. That’s hilarious. Like, you’re still alive and talking when you’re bleeding. 😂😂

I’m gonna be honest I truly didn’t even know ff16 existed until now it completely flew over my head

Yeah, Final Fantasy 16 was my second ever Final Fantasy game, and it was definitely not disappointing to me at the time, and still think its a great game. After playing more FF games, I think the Final Fantasy series are filled with so much peak, that the less than stellar titles stuck out like a sore thumb.

I’m playing ff16 for the first time right now and I just beat Garuda… Watching this was a mistake haha

I had a great time with FF16 in terms of characters and the general lore behind the world but the writing and combat are what drag it down for me. I would love to see this game get the Persona treatment and get a re-release later with better dialogue and more in-depth combat.

I never played FF16 because it’s missing that Final Fantasy whimsy we usually get. It seems so one note. It’s all dark and no light. It seemed insufferable just from the trailers and art alone. So, I never played it.

i stoped playing becuse of too much talking

I played FF14 (and 11, best MMO ever) for a very long time and I have to agree with the skippable dialogs and forgettable bosses.

SE needs to step up.

ff16 is objectively a good videogame, it simply isn’t a good final fantasy

I don’t think you like Final Fantasy games bro , they are both amazing. 9 and 10 are always gonna be the best but these are good games man. I’m sorry you can’t be pleased.

I enjoyed the story and pacing in FF16, but hated the simplistic and repetitive combat.

The two biggest issues with 16 are that the pacing sucks which kills any potential there was in the story, ruining nearly all of your interest. And the second is that the gameplay is way too easy and the bosses are designed for an MMO, not for a single player game.

Controlling Clive feels great, he controls well and plays well, but the enemies are so stupid and useless that there’s no challenge and the gameplay gets boring fast as a result.

The dialogue sucks but that can be compensated for a bit if the pacing wasn’t so awful. Unfortunately, the bad pacing just heightens how terrible the dialogue is. Square needs to go back to basics and remember the rule is “Show, don’t tell.”

The best thing about 16 is the combat system, which sadly is wasted on the rest of the game. Halfway through i just spammed x to get through exposition to get back to combat.

Honestly the first like 6 hours or so of the game are probably its strongest moments imo.

I’m sorry, but Joshua, along with most of the supporting cast we’re useless when it came to the story. The amount of times Jill got kidnapped is unreal. Joshua, for all the hype he tried to say they could finish their quest together without relying on Ifrit was a bust. Dion dead, Joshua dead.

Cid’s relationship with Benedikta, and Cids past in general was wasted on his death. Starting to notice Square just love killing off their characters as of late for no reason. Lol

It’s so refreshing to have a fellow FF fan finally have the same opinions as myself. RESPECT TO YOU SIR! 🙏

Im playing 16 now and I am loving the journey

Omg did I play this entire game and then totally forget about it? Is the dudes name clyde?

Square executed poorly for ff16. They should have done more beautifully.

I just remember feeling disappointed at the end FF16. I thought Clive was going to turn the villain’s scheme around and resurrect all the characters we’d lost along the way. Instead, I got the ending to FF15. Because of that I’ve never bought the DLC or replayed the main game. While Expedition 33 did this well, overall I dislike playing a dead man walking.

“There’s swearing, there’s drinking, there’s smoking…”

There was all that in Final Fantasy VII too. The original Final Fantasy VII, just not the remake.

My problem with FF16 is, it’s a video game that should have been a movie or TV show, exactly like Xenosaga (yeah I put that in here), extremely bloated dialogue and no real gameplay

I seen a few shorts from you and yet i totally agree with all or almost everything you mentioned.

Yeah. writing not that great. I give story 7 but dialog I give it 5.

I was not interest until I heard the music. its the best part of the game. I don’t know who Soken is before I played this game.

Ff has just gotten so terrible after 10. Even the remakes are so bad. Expedition 33 puts even 10 in its rear view mirror and I loved 10. But FF needs a serious rework at this point

Idk if i hated the Joshua death scene in 16 still got decent emotion out of me. But i will agree FF16 kryptonite is its pacing especially in the 2nd half. I would rather the gane had been like 20ish hours instead of 50 because an action game of that style can only be so interesting for sonlong with allowing me to say swap to play as Jill or something to change it up ecery now and again

Im so glad I didnt buy 16… ive played every numbered final fantasy but just couldnt bear it after 13 and 15

idk I liked FF16 in my top FFs

as someone who has never played a Final fantasy game.

can you reccommend it? im a bit on the fense about it because i hear stuff like this often, but it mostly sounds like it comes from the viewpoint of the fans, and not someone who went in blind.

Edit: or is it just not a enjoyable game?

This video spoiled the ending of 16 for me, but I don’t even care because I couldn’t stay with it.
One type of writing style that I absolutely cannot stand is: when a game or any story really, makes the player think a character has died… only to find out that the character didn’t die… they somehow miraculously survived! only to then have them actually die for real at the end of the story is just so lame and anticlimactic. It’s like; you already had me depressed and reflect once, I’m not emotionally invested to do it a second time. Especially if in the story, their life and actions,impact on the pacing and narrative didn’t hold the same emotional investment or value as their “death ”… why should I care more now? not good storytelling.

I defend ff16 writing for the sole fact that its better than 15 and 13. Doesnt mean its great or consistent, but when u experience trauma, u welcome its absence.

the writing the pacing and some of the sidequest are bad but everything else was fantastic imo

Dude what the hell with the other games spoilers

glad you added from stormblood. was about to say “that’s a weird way of saying Ranjeet”

You cook too “well done” for me to give FF16 a try..XD

The biggest problem for me is the spam combat system, missing party members, no elemental weaknesses, no support spells, no tactics, the linear level design, the dull sidequests, missing summons.. the Kaiju battles werent for me.. just brainless

FF16 was so boring, I recommended my friend just to watch the Eikon battles on YouTube

Oh boy 🙄

Saying less always carries more weight in those situations. Thats why Ex33 did it so perfectly with “I’m here”. It carries multiple layers of symbolic meaning while also having esoteric, gnostic, existential meaning. The list goes on and on.

I’m not sure if this is FFXIV slander or not lmao

And the worst part is…the combat is 2x more flawed

I have spent nearly 300 hours on this game, because I can’t get over how amazing it is. The only thing that is disappointing about FF16 is that a lot of people are disappointed with it. This game made me a true Final Fantasy fan.

I liked stormblood lol 😂

I personally loved 16 lol. Also a big fan of 7. I like the remakes of 7 but I don’t know about the added characters. Wish they would have stayed more true to the original.

Cid carried the game for me after his death the game got extremely boring dialog wise.

I liked 16

Though as somebody who recently finished 16 including dlc for stream. It was incredible, ofc expedition is better but 16 is great, pacing a bit all over the place but the story was excellent 🤷

What about the ost and voice cast in 16?

Me when the demon of awful takes invades my body:

I’m so glad someone else was driven up the wall by the dialogue.

E33 is shit

The intro to FF16 was great (clive as a teen). The setup was great, but everything after that went downhill.

Nah this is real sheet. Someone need to spoke and thx for telling this. I love ff games but the dialogue can be sometimes annoying

Hey Final Fantasy, 14 was really good. I don’t know anybody who has a problem with the dialogue with it. It’s very storage driven at least when I last played maybe it’s changed now. But I don’t like the whole medieval fantasy thing every fantasy does that now it’s kind of getting saturated and boring. Like change the setting a little bit.

I agree. They dumbed down ff16 so much, too. Only like 6 potions

16, remake, and rebirth all had a ridiculous amount of bloat but atleast the ff16 combat was fun.

You’re right. Game went downhill after Cid died. But my thing is even though it’s a FF game and I know the protagonist almost always dies at the end, I was still pissed when it happened. I didn’t cry, I wasn’t sad. I was pissed like I’d been cheated. They put us through all that muck, the least they could have done was some small sliver of a happy ending.

15 was better. There was character growth, there was brotherhood, the scene with lunafreya makes me cry like a baby every single time I see it. And even though it’s very clear what is going to happen to Noctis, I didn’t deal so absolutely cheated like I did in 16.

The trailer alone got me to buy a PS5. It looked like a Game of Thrones version of FF. I was so sure Square Enix were on to something. Such a pity they got cold feet.

Stranger In Paradise did a better job is more fun and still fast paced and has a better story; even if it’s a looter and looks like a PS3 game sometimes. 16 is what this guy said. Cool on paper, bland af. And is a huge downgrade from 15 (which I loved, but understand why people don’t love). Bootleg Devil May Cry with lame story. Monsters designs and visuals are amazing. Yet, Everybody but Clive look boring…. I like dark edgy fantasy, but this was a bummer

Definitely a hot take but everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

you have to be the most insufferable person I’ve ever seen

Dude…ff16 was very good…very very good.

Boss fight were awasome, the gameplay was awasome, characters were incredible, the story was huge.

Don’t consider your personal opinion a fact.

FF16, Fuck…. jk aside The 1st Act of 16 Was so fckin amazing, the Eikon battle, the QTE fights and mid cutscenes were great. Then it falls off, it stops doing any of those mid cutscene fights and becomes an rpg/mmo with fetch quests. What really did it for me was how much they nerfed Jill… like she can’t even get her own revenge without having Clive save her. I was screaming she has SHIVA who was fighting Titan! When did she get sooo weakkkk.

i disagree. ff16 is great. but clair obscure is so mutch beter

I have to agree, the cutscenes are way too long and too much exposition, I actually fell asleep during a sidequest with Clive’s younger brother because my mind was so tired. In my opinion, they should have copied Devil May Cry storing telling since they more or less copied the fighting style of Devil May Cry.

Was i the only one that felt like when the bros reunited it was so lame, is like clive wasn’t even surprised that his bro was alive, they just kept it rolling like nothing happend such a trash game

If 16 has better combat it would be good.

I got hooked with expedition 33 right away and played 93 hours for 100% completion. Ive tried to start ff16 3x and cant get past the first 3 hrs.

I like FF16, I understand the cons of the game. But I had a lot of fun playing it

If FF16 was like COE33 I’d be playing it obsessively

Agree, cheap writing, cheap acting…

the realest flaw of ff16 was that it was titled final fantasy. it was a great game but it did not fit the brand hence the expectations are out of place. the story and turn based combat is FF’s heart and core

Hmmmm wait. It definitely has flaws – a lot even. So basically, you’re saying that some of your viewers and fans’ perceptions are incorrect? Say I love it so much – what I feel is wrong? And basically, you know writing better? Based on what you said though 🫨☺️

My usual test is “would I like this if it didn’t have the final fantasy tag on it” and the answer seems to be no more often than not nowadays

I totally disagree. FF16 is amazing, the only issue is the open world and side content is lazy. The story path of the game is some of final fantasy’s best work

What? You don’t like it when Clive scream “I’M GONNA FINAL ALL OVER YOUR FANTASY… 16 TIMES!!”?!

I will say I love Rebirth’s combat

Good story need good storytelling. FFXVI had a potentially good story, but the storytelling is so terrible that makes the story bad.

I don’t know…I liked FF16, I even liked the story. I disliked FFX, it is not bad but I never got into it and all of the Lightning ones? God I wished I never payed for them. Maybe I am out of the conversation but I played EVERY Final Fantasy and I have to disagree here with 16

16’s writing is still better than 15’s and 13’s. Not that it’s a big bar to pass.

As much as I enjoyed FF16 for personal reason, writing was never one of them xD

Joshua’s aparent death scene gave me PTSD from Dean’s final dragged out death scene in the Supernatural series finale

I wish FFXVI was better. I have bought every FF CE but now after 15 and 16. I will just buy the regular edition and not day 1. I’ve lost hope with FF.

Brother you look and sound like markiplier are you he brother😅

No wonder why final fantasy 16 didn’t get nominated for game of the year.

When I think about it, yeah he’s right.
Clive and Cid are the only two characters in FFXVI I could connect to.
I can’t even remember the names of others characters, barely Joshua and Ultimalus.

i was all kinds of hyped up for 16 cause of how dark and gritty it was. Weirdly enough some of the side quests had better pacing and writing than the mainline story. Thinking back on it, it was VERY bloated even in the main questline, even if i enjoyed it at the time. Though there were some scenes that got a genuine emotional reaction at me. Especially the very end. I wanted a HAPPY ending and i DID NOT get one….

Agree 16 felt so awful though not as god awful as 15😊

I do like the villain Ultima. He’s like the creator realizing a bunch of ants gain how to think independently. So Ultima does a 30 year crashout in trying to kill the land lol

Jeez this makes me feel absolutely horrible for loving ff16-

Know it wasent intentional tho! Love your content!

I knew there was a reason I couldn’t get back into FFXVI after the first ‘Eikon brawl’. I had just retraced half of my least favorite expansion in FFXIV (Until Dawntrail). I knew Benedicta was familiar. But as soon as you said “Yotsuyu” Everything clicked, and I realized why it all felt so… ’empty.’

I happen to be a gamer who can excuse graphics, world-building… Just about everything. But what I struggle to tolerate, is completely wasted writing.

Nier Automata spoiler incoming if anyone wants a warning.))

In so many games, the writing feels like a battle of wits to me. Nier Automata for example. I spent almost the entire game goign through scenarios that were hinted, and even the simple ‘logistics’ of what would be done with YorHa should they win and humans and retake Earth. And when I got my answer, I was both excited because I was right, and infuriated by how it felt in my own mind ingrateful and genocidal to create something to fight and take back your home… Then just cruelly dispose of them.

A good story tells what’s happening.
A great story makes you ask questions.
An incredible story will make you want to “Be right.”

Ff16 did get some emotional reaction from me in that final scene. Mainly beacause of visual memories shown. But it felt forced and crammed down my throat. Like the story focus was on other things and then made sure at the end you really remembered the relationship dynamic so you really had to het the scripted emotional reaction from it.
Ff14 Yotsuyu in SB was bad writing, but in the patches the story did get better for me in exploring her background. But only the background and the ending payoff. Getting there was a contrived bloated soap opera mess.

someone died in FF16? I really dont remember. I beat the game in 3 days on release. Not a memorable game what so ever.

The real tragedy in 16 was what they did to shiva

Thank God it’s not just me. I could not get that far in xvi. I found it very boring.

That’s why EVERYBODY on Reddit that said that Final Fantasy XVI was their game of the year in 2023(I still remember it to this day, sooooo many people), I still look at the moment and see them as crazy. I never played Final Fantasy XVI, but I saw one of my favorite YouTubers play through it for 10+ hours and it was soooooo bad. It had a few highs, but so many ridiculous lows. I still cringe remembering the ending. I bet Ben Starr voice acting at the end of Final Fantasy XVI felt exactly how the whole cast of Game of Thrones felt when they were first reading over and then acting out the seventh and eighth seasons

He just knew that as long as he loredumps he’ll stay alive. He wanted Clive to get him help but Clive didn’t realised that

P.s. If this comment and similar from me were posted a bunch of times then sorry. Youtube wasn’t posting it and i had to write it a bunch of times before it happened. Honestly too much effort for such stupid joke but whatever

when Sebb parodied the death scene from FFXVI I got flashbacks from the movie Mask with Jim Carrey

Just going to announce I just beat Simon in clair obscur, I’m still shaking

Ff16 formula:
1. Dungeon 1 + Boss
2. Exploration + Save Martha
3. Dungeon 2 + Dungeon 3 + Eikon Battle

Repeat it for 6+ times.

Oh, side quests:
– Help Martha
– Clive: Say that again!!!

FF17 is thing goes worst : Oh no ! Here comes the Deux Ex Machina Lore Dumping everything you need and plot armoring the hero from death to vanquish any credibility left, but look, a chocobo ! so it IS an FF, your argument is invalid.

I am just after titan and so far, for me anyways, the lack of a level up system hurts my soul. Other than that it has been pretty amazing so far.

Again vocal majority and reviewers: Best FF game for some time! Yay!!Japan pays well 😉

Once again bro speaks the truth. Keep that gaming wisdom coming my friend!

I literally skipped all of the talking in 16 because it was so long….Aside from the beginning I don’t know the story at all and I beat the game

I’m by all means no veteran FF fan, I’ve only played 15, 16, 10, and the newer remakes of FF7, but my worst complaint about 16 is the pacing. The side quests are travel to the other side of the world and grab a flower for me. The combat is okay, but I’ve had more playing God of War than FF16.

A lot of good points

I really enjoyed 16. To be fair was the first ff game i played

I just enjoy FF16 for how stupidly fun it is

The problem started with FF15. After that every project goes downhill. 15 is when they started trying to appeal to western gamers. Minimal costume design. Boyband group. Emo protagonist. What they didn’t realize is that western gamers already invested with old style FF games more than the new one. Is not just the writing. The plot and storyline is also dumb. And they injected that dumbness to FF7 rebirth. 16 is they trying to challenge the Dark Soul dark story. But it came out as stupid for the most part. They stick to the same fail formula and surprising not realizing what makes SquareEnix great.

Another thing that kinda rubbed me the wrong way was the exploration. While the areas we got were visually interesting graphically, it kinda missed the mark on Final Fantasy staples. Where were the towns, cities, caves, etc? I know we can go to a couple towns but those were kinda lifeless. Just side-quest dumps with 99% of the NPCs you couldn’t interact with.

I felt insulted by the writing from about the halfway point and was bored by almost everything else but I chose to stick around because, yanno, I’d made the mistake of paying for the shit, after all.
The Final Fantasy line made me so fucking mad. In the middle of a Who Gives A Shit final act I just wanted to get over with, throwing that line in? Fuck me I hate XVI. So shit.

Cid fucking rules in this game though. Best character by far. Ralph Ineson CRUSHES

Omg you just don’t understand, Seb! If only we had gotten a Longer monologue, good thing all that lore didn’t come BEFORE the death scene!!! 🙃

Graphics are bad tbh.. hoped it was better.. senua had way better graphics imo. And better story.. i deleted the game after 1 hr.. it is that boring..

Damn I have to get these guys out of my algorithm. Me and a buddy played 16 last year and loved it so much never knew it had so many critics. Also the if you dont agree with this anything you say is invalid strat you got going really just makes you sound like a hater, especially when the topic is based in opinion not fact.

This is what I felt with Jessie’s death in FF7 remake. The scene was SO LOOONG. It took the tragedy away and became so ridiculous.

Yeah the combat was fine in 16. The highs were pretty good. But the lows of the game brought it down. I hated that I kept needing to move like 300m to find something. Then another 300m to find another thing. Then go back to the origin. It was so annoying. It got to the point that I wasn’t interested in playing and had to push through.

16 gets like 90% the way there. Is it as good as the old games? No, but then again what is?

While I can agree that ff16 was promising but fell flat on its face, I never even bought it because I watched my brother play it and what I did see of 16 was a big nope, and I can agree ff14 does have bloated dialog it’s not as bad as your ripping into it saying ff14 isn’t good is a horrible hot take, the first time I can’t agree with you, but I also respect that you don’t like it many don’t and many do that’s completely fine.

16 for the furst 3/4 of the game is sooo good only for ulitma to ruin it barabus shoukd have been the main villian

You can’t defend the gameplay either.
It’s soooo bad

the bloated Dialog is not something out of FFXIV, bloated dialog and hours of exposition have been the main ingridient for all JRPGs, if you play some western ones you might see this but not as much.

JRPGs have always been like this and now people are getting tired of it because we dont have as much time as we used to in the past, we could spend an entire summer playing any FF without complaining about this but unfortunately the writting from back then doesnt work now.

XIV gets an excuse for being an MMO and MMOs have always had terrible paces but at this point I skip any non voice dialog because I know they are going to say Nothing at all

16 is just great boss fights with great graphics but the story is trash

ff16 was long, well made, and fantastic cinematic cutscene.
story: meh
mechanics: not bad but not good
boss fights: awesome
sidequests: tedious
characters: hit or miss
7/10

I think I liked the opening/mid parts of Rebirth a lot more than he did. I also had a lower attachment to the original 7 than most as Suikoden was my series at that time.

I agree with pretty much the whole take. I been waiting for shit I don’t want to count but since 10 to get the FF series to hit like it once did.

Square has been a company that seems to try to do good, but just keeps finding ways to fumble it. I doubt they will really look at E33 and see what they did so right that they keep doing sooo wrong. Each FF has things you can love but it’s under so much shit. I am happy they keep trying new things but most of it is bad things over and over 😅😅.

Atleast some devs are stepping in to say hey look this worked go back to this. It can still work, and you can still refine it more.

I stopped playing 16 becasue of the endless borning mandatory side quests it was just the same every time do some MSQ than have side quest for upgrades. your right it felt like dawntrail type of writing and awful pacing.

I agree with you on a lot of things, but I’m gonna have to respectfully disagree with you on this video, I love FF 16. Is it my favorite, that’s hard to say, but it’s definitely up there. I had been waiting on an M rated mainline FF game my entire teenage and adult life. It felt like I was playing a game in the vain of some of my absolute favorite fantasy authors.

XVI is kinda good before titan fights, but after titan fight it goes down so bad

When the characters looks interesting on paper but the writing is too horrendous that it made them looks sad to be in the game 💀

Aeris dying in the OG FF7 was epic gut wrenching no bloated dialogue or inappropriately placed flashback scene just a meat and bones tragic moment that sat with you for days. My niece cried at this scene 5 years later when she played it.

Felt like that for 15 as well. It’s like the writers never took an actual road trip or has no actual siblings, brothers or close friends. Like they were almost there and just shat the bed with sloppy relationships and motivation.

FF16 wanted to be so much and ended up being way too little for my taste. Exploration didn’t feel rewarding. Everything felt empty and ended like a fluke. I looooved benedikta’s story though. I only played the beginning of ffxiv so idk about the similarities with it’s storyline. But I clearly couldn’t finish the game because the story felt like it couldn’t really go all out on its promises.

Sorry you feel that way. I get the hate but it’s now one of my favorite FF games and Clive is arguably my favorite FF protagonist. The dude has a wolf(I love wolves!) and can turn into a FREAKING KAIJU and has one of the best uncles ever. I love Jill and Cid. The soundtrack is godlike.

Foe the last half of 16 i just spammed X through all the dialogue. The game would just never end.

I skip so much now in games cause the writing or voice acting is just takes forever, and they repeat themselves, like wtf, you can cut out more than half the lines cause the keep reiterating the same talking point.

Soap death scene in Modern Warfare 3 2011 is a devastating one too. Soap just said 3 words: Makarov knows Yuri.

I honestly haven’t even bothered to play a Final Fantasy (other than Renake and Rebirth) since FFXIII. They’ve just been so bad. When I wanna play FF I just replay a GOOD game from the old FF catalog. 😂 Expedition 33 is the best game I’ve played in years ❤

Comparing to the tasteful implementation in expedition might make it seem cheesy but 16 was one of my favorite stories in an ff game. I’ve played most of them and I play them for the story so I liked it.

The very beginning or the story is good, with decent writing. But it doesn’t last. By the end of the game i was skipping every dialog I could, and watching a show during cutscenes.

Personally i felt i cared about the characters enough that i enjoyed most of it.

The massive amount of side quests near the end of the game just kinda made everything take so long, atleast they were probably the best ones in the game but damn.

The best part of 16 to me was its cast but they didnt get much of a chance to shine since the world was so depressive and bleak that they had nothing else to express.

I want to get more of clive and its sad that we probably wont

So I’m currently playing through ff16 and I just recently did the titan boss with some friends and we started to realize how despite being cinematic a lot of the boss fights are pretty lackluster content wise and are more just cinematic than anything else.

Also I think I can understand why cid was killed off so early but I think it might hurt the story more than help.

Also the villains so far have no real grasp on me like some of the older ff games so that’s another negative for me.

Still think the game is alright maybe an 8/10 for right now is how I would rate it, but that’s being generous. I do really like the setting and lore for the game so far though and the concept itself

16 is my guilty pleasure, I love it, because it helped me through a very hard time of life. But I know that it is not a good game.

Totally agree. The story is sooo poorly written is almost unbelievable that this is a FF game. Totally boring.

“… like Alphanaud in Real Reborn” is a line I will keep in my pocket from now on

To be fair… they made a franchise that like 20 ga,es long. No shit it’s gonna be hella reused

“Clive… I’m dying. You might need to pull up a chair for this one “

I fell asleep while playing FF16 cuz it’s so boring 😢

Last good Final Fantasy game was FF X for me. Remake, Rebirth and FF XVI is trash for me.
Square destroyed this great series 🫣

FF16 had its problems but at least it’s not Rebirth 😂 Nothing is going to be as bad as climbing Ubisoft towers, unrewarding exploration, multiverse timeline bs and let’s not talk about how much they mess up the death at the end. FF16 may of had some really bad design choices but not as bad as that lol.

What I’ve noticed as a casual ff fan, is they make such impressive set pieces for cutscenes with kinda “meh” gameplay. I got so psyched for FFXV with it’s set pieces, and it just turned out to be an okay game.

I loved FFXVI all the way through the demo. If I could go back in time, I would have ended it there. I can’t bring myself to finish the game, it was so unnecessarily long and boring. Which is weird – it’s the most action oriented one.

This is one of the videos and takes that we 100% agree Sebby.. 👌👌

Sorry, nope. 16 is my second favorite of all-time.

I can agree on some of these points, but having gone into the game with no expectations and not a lot of experience with having played FF games, this game did an amazing job immersing me into the world and I fell deeply in love with the grand story. One of my favs.

I remember being pretty hyped for Final Fantasy XIII. I mean there had really only been one bad Final Fantasy game up until then and it was a sequel so it didn’t really count. That was 19 years after the first FF release and it’s been 16 years since then. Half of this series’ history has been sparse releases of shit games. When are we gonna just give up on it?

But.. but.. combat is good

LOL THANK YOU FOR TELLING THIS. Lot of conversation in (even in FF14) can be send as Email. As much as interesting Lore can be getting explained WHOLE LORE in middle of cutscene is quite phase killing. I’m not asking Dark Soul version of cut scene just scene not Lore dump. Ow and some Cutscene (Like Yotsuyu) MC can INTERFERES OR DO SOMETHING but we feel like more of watcher. In Expedition 33 we know Gustav killed but with how scene play out we know we can’t interfere BECAUSE IT HAPPEN TO FAST and not MC just standing there

Another thing that irked me in 16 was no one seemed to really give a shit about Clive upending every kingdoms crystal. The world itself barely cared, Even when him and Titan basically tore the world in half, Clive had to go around the hideout and let everyone know their most traumatizing enemy was slain, like he was asking if they wanted anything from the shop. (Cornetto) By the time I reached Bahamut the spectacle didnt even mean anything of substance and I was frustrated more than awed by what was going on. Game peaked at demo story wise but it truly died with Cid.

Amen! And plus to all that: generic orchestra music you forgot in 5 min, while the main battle theme sounds like a remix of the ff8 battle theme 😂
Thr world is empty and there’s nothing to explore or to interact with. Repetitive character animations. Story is told through walls of text and diagrams. Wtf, i have to look up myself what the relationship between two brothers is and what they think of each other? such bs. Exp33 was able to tell you a complex story without an ingame Wikipedia

Yea… Basically after Cids death everything went bad. Especially when politics and slavery and medieval theme started to be pointless because “god” lol. In the end of the day everything was meaningless. Except the conflict between Ultima and Clive… Meh

FF16 was basically made for FF14 players, so all of that checks out.

😂😂😂😂😂😂 modern ff games have made u so upset I understand 13 n 15 had me feel like the magic was gone to

16 has a great introduction but I feel it falls off stage minute cid dies he really was carrying that narrative more than Clive was

Bro i am right there with you on xvi i so badly wanted to like 16. The characters are boring and the story is worse.

The OST is just peak though

I liked 16 though…

Iunno. I found Cid to be formulaic, lame and a near exact copy of Balthier from 12. To me Gav was the best character followed by the dog/wolf. They were unironically the only characters with any interesting elements in their presentation and personality. I think the fans are conditioned to look at cid as the cool guy and ignore how generic he is. Same with Dion. He is a typical tragic hero. He is basically leo from ff6 lol

The swearing, “dark themes” and “maturity” added absolutely nothing other than to make some grown men feel less dorky than they are. The story was no darker than ff6 or ff9 but the characters in those games werent brooding and annoying. Clive is generic and Jill is the exact same character as Clive and Joshua. Jill could be removed entirely and the story would play out exactly the same way

Clive. My uncle is named Clive. It’s not a main character name. I was so bored, button mashing combat too. I regret buying it.

I found FFXVI to be very very mediocre for a Final Fantasy game, but my main problem with it were the side quests. I felt that their only purpose was to waste your time…run from A to B, from B to A and just in case do it again and again…I was so annoyed of this, I almost stopped playing FFXVI. The addition of „Monster Hunting“ was pretty lazy too in my opinion. I miss the old times where you actually had to do „great things“ to fight „great monsters“.

If peter took 3 days to turn into dust after Thanos snapped

How are you able to lower your voices by two octaves when you go in your voice acting mode? I wanna learn that skill too!

his fucking RIGHT goddamit

HAHAHAHA LMAO TRUE

For me this Serie of FF wasn’t boring I enjoyed playing so much ❤

FFIX is always gonna be my favourite, I just love it. Everything about it rocks

I thought the first half was great. I was invested. I don’t remember where I started getting bored

Mid quest? After cid death?

I don’t remember what was where lol

Also Bahamut fight was bullshit.

Fuck instakill moves.

enjoyed pretty much all Final Fantasy games
but with 16 i lost interest with the demo

The only writing I will defend in 16 is Cid’s banter

Nah see the matrix hit me too hard. My daughter’s name is Sophie my wife is named Kathryn and I’m 32 years old so this game got harder than it had any business to

Wow!!! I absolutely love and agree with this!!!! Expedition 33 is such an amazing game! And unfortunately ff16’s story is TERRIBLE, but I did enjoy playing the game. I do enjoy devil may cry, so it was instantly appealing to me. We do deserve a WAY better Final Fantasy though, mmmmmaybe 17 😅

At keast yu r been honest. There is somewhat bad writing in it.. but i did love the game. At least it was better than 15. 😅.

You could already tell from the papers that it will be boring. Or rather a medicore action game which only goal it is to appeal a western audience. You could tell from the trailers. And no one who wants to play Final Fantasy wants to play something like that as a Final Fantasy. That’s why the sales were so poor.

Look at it like this: Final Fantasy XVI is the most “not Final Fantasy” Final Fantasy. Where as Expedition 33 is the most “Final Fantasy” not Final Fantasy.

Gonna be honest, I’m a guy who likes ff16, but I also agree with everything you said there. One thing I gotta say about the dialogues is that I was able to tolerate them, not because I thought they were fine (they are obviously not), but because I went into the game with the mindset that it’s a Japanese game, and let’s be honest, Japanese games pretty much never have good dialogues

Reminds me of FF15. You deep dive the lore to 15 and it is amazing. The amount of effort that went into the lore could have made this the best game in the franchise, honestly.

FF16 was the biggest disappointment and the worst FF imo.

I uninstalled FFXVI after 5 hours and have problems finishing Rebirth. FFX was last good Final Fantasy game for me.

Also the FF14 side quests and Ulitma was so boring esp. after Ardyn and Emet.

The best moment in 16 is a side mission with cruel commentary on slaves where there’s a dogs that the owners feed slaves to it’s all fucked up. Even when it’s good it’s rough.

I love XVI to bits but I wholeheartedly agree with the writing. I enjoyed the Eikon fights due to the grand spectacle it delivered and the music is absolutely insane, definitely rate it highly along with the other FFs in the franchise. But yeah, writing was mid af but it was still an enjoyable game personally.

I’m going to be a bit bias. But what makes games like FF9 and Nier great dark series is the balance of funny and depressing tones and scenes.

It’s that shift in tone that makes the dark parts hit harder. Because if you keep hitting someone with negative emotions, they become desensitized by it.

Idk man it’s so good and so bad at the same time, Moments Like when Clive accepts his faith are Moments that give me goosbumps everytime. But man everything you describe is True as well

Me: “should I play 16?”

*watches this*

i wanted to try ff 16 for ben starr cuz i played khazan them expedition 33 but i legit deleted the game the second i heard « YOU COCK »💀

I honesly had enough after playing XV. All that waiting since its original announcement as 13 Versus just left a bad taste

After Cid was gone game got boring 😢

“I’m here”
“I know”
Hits like in Star Wars when Solo was being put in carbonite
“I love you”
“I know”

FF16 committed the worst crime in videogames…..it was BORING. Boring as fuck.

I remember hearing so many great things about FF16 and I finally got to play it myself and just found myself bored most of the time.

yeah 16 is so bad. in fact 14 is good only because of Ishikawa

The writing of Ff16 is good. But “Good”, in terms of how we began to value stories of the Final Fantasy series over the years, is basically on the level of “mid” as the kids these days say.

I’ll explain:

Over the years, we always expect future FFs to surpass the previous ones and in many cases, these games do succeed on that front. But when the series started to fall, we began to expect it to rise higher and higher than we could ever expect and we’ve created this astronomically high expectations of FF games. And you can’t blame us for that. That’s normal for us fans. It’s ultimately business greed that ruined the FF series and the Game Industry as a whole.

But I do believe that FF16 is the FFIX of this era of games solely because it returned back to Medieval Fantasy. Like back then in the 90s, Square is moving to a more advanced civilization genre for FF. But Sakaguchi held back the progression to that by returning it to its true identity… Medieval Fantasy.

Since then, the FF series after it saw some return to it’s roots. FFX is a bit more traditional even though the culture is more Asian, XI and XII were more medieval Fantasy. XIII is sci-fi, XIV is Medieval Fantasy again, XV is modern, XVI is Medieval again. Out of all FFs post X, only 2 games were completely more modern and sci-fi.

Without Sakaguchi trying to tie it down to it’s roots, FF would’ve moved further away from it and it would be even more unrecognizable than it is today.

All this is to say that although XVI isn’t as good as we want it to be, it has its merits. Writing is good, but not astromically game changing, and the genre went back to its roots. Which is great. A numbered title FF should never be ashamed to go back to its roots and innovate on it as that is what keeps its identity intact.

Also bring back Yoshinori Kitase as director PLEASE. This guy has been Sakaguchi’s protege and even though his vision is different from Sakaguchi’s, his FF games still feel like FF. VII, VIII, and X still feel like FF even though the genres aren’t specifically “Medieval Fantasy”. So please bring Kitase back

Ah, the opera approach. “I’m mortally wounded, allow me to sing my 8 minute aria.”

I agree with some of your Remake/rebirth criticisms, but i still love them. Theyre amazing. They didnt ruin anything.

And 16 is great. Sorry. Your opinion is bad lol. I also long for a return to old school FF, but it doesnt mean newer ones are terrible.

Also Yotsuyu opinion is a crazy hot take lol. A lot to hate about that xpac but Yotsuyu??

Ff16 is my favorite final fantasy, 15 is a close second

Square enix should start thinking of subsidizing their FF game to Sandfall. Ez win, EZ money.

So when it comes to the dialog in ff16, it seems to be taking the ff13 approach of so much wtf that it just pulls you out of the story.

Ff16 was epic expedition 33 was epic. Totally different types of epics I like both.

Cid was fire. That’s all I will say.

Honestly, they had everything nailed for the most part except for the unnecessary dialogue especially during Joshua’s death. That should’ve been an earlier revelation before that fight and not when someone is dying. It diminishes the death as a whole.

I was so mad the moment Cid died, genuinely killed a part of my interest in the plot because the banter was so damn good between both of them despite it being only a few scenes.

Pacing was horrible, if the game kept the pacing from the start of game and progressively worked through things as the story unfolded further, it could’ve done much better job. The DLC’s should have already been in the game prior to release

I like your expedition 33 content but this take on ff16 is a huge L.

I loved 16 but the thing i hated has how bogged down it was my the MMO shit, like the moment i saw that thr quest and confirm prompts were just pulled from 14 i knew we had a problem, i can excuse the bloated dialogue to a point what i cant excuses is the hud being cluttted by like 50 side quests that you cant turn it off

I can’t take anyone who says that “you’re automatically out of the conversation if you think this” seriously and should actually be the one removed the conversation, since this is akin to pretty much plugging your ears and saying, “I can’t hear you, lalalalalala.”

Honestly, Joshua was trying to provide Clive with important information before he died instead of trying to save his strength. It’s a JP trope; it happens in anime and JP media a lot. If you don’t like the writing, then maybe don’t read/watch JP media? I find it funny cause FF has always had a bunch of CS that does exposition dumps…..like a lot, but that didn’t bother him then, just rants about 16 one. >.>

I disagree with you. Ff16 despite some flaws has some of the greatest moments ever in a final fantasy game. The music was S tier, the boss fights were insanely epic “looking at you bahamut” being more geared towards adults was something I throughly enjoyed. Clive is an awesome MC and to this day that ending still sticks with me and me and my friends discuss it. FF16 is in my top 5 and will stay there for a long time.

FF16 is just Game of Thrones story writing xD

I did love FF16, but these criticisms are really valid.

From the looks of it, Joshua really turned into John recap and Bob exposition, fused

Oof. I feel attacked. I actually enjoyed FF16. Im not defending it, but it was alot of fun. I also actually enjoyed the story for the most part.

See, i started on the modern FF formula, so i like it. I loved remake and rebirth a lot. But I’ve also gotten into the older games and love them too. Im happy with both but i really understand the fans who saw something they love slowly morph into a different thing that they may not like at all and that really sucks.
Everyone has different interests, and as a spoiled gamer, i want everyone to have what they love in a game.
I hope with all the praise and love and hype around expedition 33 that we see a newfound and passionate resurgence of the old FF type with modern changes like E33 implemented

Bro I love ff16 then again my first final fantasy was 15 and I cried to that one 😭

That and bringing back his brother destroyed the impact of his death