Causal gamer or maybe a gamer who just likes it for the way it is? I’m a hardcore gamer of 40 years who has beaten many of the hardest games made and still love D4. It’s fun. Who cares about the rest.

Can’t we just say the game is for some and not for others like all other games. You people who pick it apart and whine are sad.

Casuals fill up their game of course they’d pander to them

Regarding Casual vs Hardcore, it could just be that they think the hardcore/endgame elements are ok enough, and the early game/introductory elements are lacking, so they’re focusing on those for now. It should be a case of once they sort this, and a brand new D4 player in S8/S9 has no issues understanding and getting into the game, then they can switch to looking at the never-ending issue of endgame/satisfying the hardcore players.
I do think D4 will always be considered ‘easier’ than say a POE2, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have or can’t have hardcore elements or a solid endgame.

at least you can figure out diablo on your own unlike poe’s hot mess trashy system u always have to look up meta builds or best this best that LOL trash ahh game

i like diablo being casual its my go to turn off my brain and farm game

If I knew this game was going to be made for children. I would have never purchased the game. Its so incredibly boring. If your this so called “casual player ” just QUIT! you’re holding this game back.

I think we are still missing group play and emerging roles like in d3. That gave a great option for rarely playing friends to jump in as support without the need to do dmg and not dying all the timd

yeeeesss spiritborn is still number 1<333

Call it whatever, so long it keeps delivering good amounts of fun

casual devs/leadership = casual game

I don’t understand the whole “casual game” hate. I’m not even that old, but it wasn’t long ago that video games were supposed to be casual. Now everyone thinks they’re the next big streamer and/or their lives revolve around a game for whatever reason. Some of us work for a living and have meaningful jobs, lives, relationships, and hobbies. Sometimes I just want to slay through hell for a couple hours a night (if that), and not feel like I’m picking up a second job. I put over 150 hours in Season 6 of D4 and didn’t get every best drops/rolls on items I needed. I’m by no means mad. The game feels just fine to me. I like a bit of challenge and grind. I had a blast in Season 6 with my buddies. What a video game should be about….

I enjoy the casual aspect on D4. I wish I could spend lots of time fine tuning builds like in POE1/2 and they’ve done an even better fantastic time with POE2. D4 is great to just jump in and enjoy some ARPG mob thrashing with friends that may not be into these types of games. Though I wish the story was better.

I thought POE would make me want to stop playing D4. It seemed amazing until hours in I realized I would need to commit to grinding for levels. Then I missed the graphics, the faster progression, the open world, the ability to pop in for a new season. D4 has some issues – could learn from PoE 2 and improve skills, as build complexity is a little generic, but I also prefer the lore of the series.

Its the ARPG for Gays and furries.

diablo 4 is shit for idiots.
paragon board – shit
skill tree – shit
specialization – shit
open world – shit
itemization – shit
endgame – weak

Casual gaming makes up the largest portion of the market. I play more than one ARPG, so when I’m looking for more of a challenge then simply play something more challenging… having this much digital real estate is super nice

This poe2 fanboys are annoying. I paid 100 bucks for the founders higher pack I played it 34-40 hours poe2 is a fine game … I still prefer D4 and overall I still prefer d3 over D4 still. I just like the very casual style .. sue me.
All this crybabies are so annoying

D4was always casual and always marketed as casual. I remember when they first presented it they even said it’s for the casual players mainly. It’s not their problem poe hardcore players don’t like it. They don’t made the game for them. I played 40 hours in poe2 but it’s a bit meh for me. I stay with D4 for now.

POE 2 is fun, D4 isn’t

There is casual, and then there is D4. My 8 year old can stomp D4.

And there is nothing inherently wrong with any level of casual, but, a diablo game THIS easy is just bad IMO. When D3 started giving out sets is when they lost me there as well.

Casuals give them money, not pro players 😊 so its fair

Diablo as a whole is for casuals.

D4 feels so basic and bland to me now that I’ve played POE2. The lack of skill and character choice is really killing it for me. Also not looking forward to killing the same boring bosses again over and over and over. It’s just so repetitive and mind numbing, I’ve really had enough of it.

D4 is definitely not casual. (I guess anything not POE/POE2 is casual? How patently ridiculous!)
In fact people accused D3 of being too casual and it was anything but. There is a big difference between clarity and casual.

It’s smart. I stopped playing POE2 because it doesn’t respect your time. You can play that game for hundreds of hours and not find a single endgame item (high item level, correct base, all the right affixes). Not fun. Neither is losing XP, maps, etc upon death.

I honestly am excited for the casual nature of it. A lot of POE2 looks amazing and I know for a fact I won’t have the time to experience the vast majority of it. My buddies play D4 and we make new characters every season and have a little fun. D4 continues to improve also which is great.

Going casual is not a bad thing

Spiritborn is obviously the 6th Ranger

As it wasn’t already casual enough

Lipstick on a pig?

Does casual mean upgrades actually drops and upgrading aspects actually works? If so I’m down

to each their own but this season seems pretty lame

its… its always been casual…

Bro. Most of us have jobs. We’re not Full Time Streamers, we can only dedicate max ~2hrs a night. Diablo is great for that. If you wanna Fat Neck Beard Shit Bucket No Shower. Then you have PoE for that. Don’t try to make Diablo what it isn’t. D4 is the COD of ARPGs. Not saying that as a degrading comment. But it has its place. D4 is easy to pickup and play in addition to being hard to master for the average Dad Gamer.

i hope they gona increse a drop chance for mythic gear

“…going casual”? It was casual from the get-go, which is totally OK – it just sucks a little bit that they are using the Diablo franchise to do so. It’s like CCP Games made an EVE Online 2 and went totally casual. Makes sense? Of course, but not necessarily for the established fanbase.

D4 is nice for a low IQ brain dead arcade game, too bad it’s taking the spot of a Diablo game

I’m glad they decided to develop this game for casual players. I think most players are casual. The hardcore ones have plenty options like POE 1, POE 2, Last Epoch, etc., but casual players don’t have that luxury.

this is the season I’m returning to the game so…perfect! now drop the price for vessel n ill,pick that dlc up.

Gotta get the casuals hooked before POE2 comes out of paid early access. 🤣

D4 is def going casual. Sadly.

It’s been for casuals since D3

I’m one of the most die hard blizzard/diablo fans, I played D4, paid the $100 for supporting the game, early access bla bla, the game sucks. It could keep my attention when I was 12-13, but not in my 40s with 3 kids, full time job and a few dogs to train, I get no mental stimulation, boring😢

Bring on the casual. Never played POE, never will. Don’t have time for that many games.

Here’s the twist bud.. it was always for casuals.. why do you think I play it who never played ARPGs before. And I love it. That’s why Diablo 4 will always have mass appeal.

Is anyone still playing this game, all jokes aside?

So, when do you think Diablo will show up in the game called Diablo?

It’s been casual since launch.

Ugh garbage casual trash noobs playing games they don’t belong in to begin with always ruin these games. So glad every one else is on poe2 instead of this trash. It was already insanely easy but garbage casual noobs need it easier 😂

So object of this season…
“Get Head” nice

I’m on this season like white on rice baby..!!!!😂

This is framed as if its a bad thing just from the title alone. If only people understood that being casual is basically the only acceptable thing to be. Anything that demands your entire life in time isn’t a good game usually.

You play d4 for like a week or two, then go play poe2, hopefully this season keeps me occupied longer, I lasted a week and half on the dlc until i was bored af and quit 😂

Spiritbroken is probably still making all other classes look like stupid toys or jokes so I guess i’ll come back season 8 or at least wait a few weeks and check the rankings before even signing up for this

Dude, your content is really starting to go downhill.

Not all of us play Diablo for a living…. Casual is a really good idea in my opinion.

Lets go casual players! Dont mind these poe2 snubs.

I was looking forward to season 7 after campfire chat. I am really liking the level 60 max and paragon that roles over to eternal realm so past characters have a reason to exist. I love casual, so more please! I thought D4 was going to be casual but I keep having to spend way to much time to do anything. Go casual, just not pay2win casual.

Tbf d4 is such a good laid back game. I am playing poe2 like I’m playing a shooter game.

Perfect! My son was born a few weeks ago, now I’m only able to play 1 hour a day if I’m lucky. When I do get the chance to play I’m already physically and mentally exhausted. I also have a job that is already intellectually challenging. D4 is totally the game for me!

Just too bad they didn’t decide to fix the Fenris issues too!🤦

Wonder if they are giving up on hardcore’s who have moved to PoE2

casual aka woke joke

D4 was my intro into Arpg’s. Got me hooked. But now I feel like I want more depth so POE2 is holding it down. I think I’ll come back to D4 when they add new classes ……but by the time they add one more POE2 probs gonna be full launched with 12 classes lmao that’s a lotttttt of hours and different builds 🤣. D4 is still good tho for sure!

The game was for casuals when it released on June 6th

Most people don’t have time grind out.

Personally, it’s a shame D4 is so casual that I can’t invest my time into it when I want to. It is Diablo after all and the game play is ok. Graphic is above most arpg.

But the skills and stats are just not really meaningful. The drops still feel lacking. The game loop needs a lot of work because the progression versus gear acquisition just doesn’t feel balance especially acquiring mythics. I hope they tighten all these up then maybe there will be some depth to actually dive into.

So far every season just doesn’t feel different enough that I’m practically doing the same build every season.

Rhykker hasn’t anyone told you yet? D4 Bad😅

That would be way better. May even get some players back. 😮

What a crappy title. Play Hardcore my friends !!!!!!. Its the best way to play Diablo 4 by far or any Diablo game. Diablo 4 is better then POE 2 in my humble opinion, I am not impressed at all with PoE. I am a pro player, and I feel Diablo 4 is a wonderful game. It just needs to be on Hardcore. SC is…….. for Casuals and I have fun playing Casual I try different set ups, but the prize for me is HARDCORE !!!!!!

“Going casual” it’s a video game fam. That’s what gaming is, casual

D4 should cater more towards casuals if you want to play something with a super long mind numbingly boring grind go play Poe 2

I’m largely in agreeance with everyone, I think it’s the right move. Then, you have the definitive ARPG for more casual players in D4, and the definitive ARPG for hardcore players in PoE2, with everything else falling somewhere in the middle (or into the forsaken p2w category), seems like sound business logic to me

So glad I quit playing, honestly diablo has become the game for people to lazy and bitchy to put in the work to get what they want without a save editor like in D2.

What a day it’d be when Blizzard decides to make D4 free to play

Their is more money and less passion for casual direction

You cant call a game casual when people have to restart a character from nothing every season this is the only game tht does this an if they don’t fix this mechanic I will never be playing this shit game again

I work 9-10 hour shifts and sometimes when I come home I just want to blow off some steam on a casual arpg. That’s why I’m sticking with D4. I don’t have time to play anything hardcore. If they turn D4 into a hardcore arpg then I’m out.

I just started this game casually about a week ago and I’m having a blast with it. I like the play at your own pace style of this game, and whomever came up with the idea of being able to port to a home base and than port back to the same location, I want to hug you lol

Was diablo 4 ever for the HxCx?

I hope it goes casual, i don’t like overcomplicated games anymore. I don’t find/seek fulfillment or validation in video games and i only seek to be entertained while I play by myself or with friends. I don’t like to no life video games, thats really just stupid. Even streamers take breaks.

Anyone being overwhelmed by anything in D4 deserves their own new category:

Sub-Casual.

Nice to see Blizzard get 1.0 rolled out finally.

Casual as in not batshit crazy complex just to be complex is fine. Just don’t expect me to spend the amounts the cosmetic shop hopes we pay.

Probably more casual gamers than hardcore. I’m a gamer dad that plays when I can just for fun and in my experience, I’m enjoying D4 a ton more than POE2. D4 just keeps it less complicated, which is better for casual gamers. D4 is definitely my #1 game right now, and for the past couple of years.

Wow someone with timestamps ❤❤❤ subbed and liked

Your commitment to this game is. Crazy.

So done with D4, uninstalled and meh. Appreciate you though Rhykker

Vampires, wolves, witchcraft, robots, demons…season 4 was just base game fixes mostly. I dunno man. The seasonal creativity just never seems there.

As someone who enjoys PoE 2, I find myself just wanting to play Diablo. Honestly this is a good move on Blizzards part.

the recycle game, where devs seem uncapable of creating new content. this season looks like the vampire thing its exactly the same, didn’t they said that the would stop make this small scale bag of *********** content that cant be added to the base game? they did exactly what they said they wouldn’t do again. and eveyrone forgets that. i dont understand how D4 players thinks this is new content.

I don’t see a point of playing after you reach the max gear score , the grind is stupid and there is nothing to reach for after max gear and lvl

I quit playing Diablo for a dumbish reason, and won’t return out of stubbornness.
I play on my steamdeck. Bought at launch on blizzard. Updating the blizzard launcher was a headache so I quit.
FF to the dlc, I won’t buy it until the game and dlc are $40 on steam.

Was there any change to how codex power acquisition works? Didn’t like last season needing ancestral drops that are 1 rare and 2 random. Even if you get said rare drop it didn’t guarenteee it rolled better than what your normal legendary rolled for getting the codex finished. This was unnecessarily frustrating imo.

Clickbait title. It seems like I’m enjoying your content less and less. It might be because you’ve tied yourself to one game and can’t seem to fathom how to do anything other than D4. That’s fine, but there’s not enough actual content for you to put out quality videos it seems. So we get a video about some fake drama to try and rage bait and get traction on your videos. Not interested. Not interested in your drama because you can’t think of anything else to post about at all. Could have been anything, but here you are trying to stir up shit. No thank you. There’s enough negative in this world, don’t bring it into the things I use to try and make me happier about life. Unsubbed and removed this channel from reccomendations.

OH NO NOT CASUAL WHAT EVER WILL WE DOOOOOO #Yay

“Casual player” meaning what… actually payable within reason? As opposed to having to battle ridiculously overpowered bosses to “earn” mediocre items and grinding like it’s a full-time job just to slowly add to the tree, find items, etc… or survive a boss battle solo? (i.e. PoE2)
After putting 100 hrs. into PoE2 and having it freeze my computer switching maps, and making it so time consuming to find and upgrade items for multiple characters, it was at times more aggravating than “fun” IMHO
D4 just needs to keep making improvements and add more end-game content, then they will be on-course for an even more enjoyable game.

I agree, they tried to make D4 less casual when it originally released and found from community feedback that’s not so much what the Diablo fan wants anymore. D4 is becoming more like D3 than D2. D3 was when the season starts play it, complete the seasonal journey then hang it up after say 3 weeks. That’s how I view and play D4 and I love that. I’ve noticed as I’ve gotten older game burnout comes quicker, yet I always jumped back into the new season every time D3 released one, and I’ve done it for all D4 seasons too. It’s not a main game but it is a main game for the 2-3 weeks after the season drops and I’m fine if they really start to embrace that!

Why I stopped playing elden ring, too much of a time sink.

Armory is a much needed change I wish it came with release.

Bring back WW barb and Shred Druid plz 😊

The poe2 patch is live 🙂

I have news for you, Diablo has been for casuals since season 6/7 of Diablo 3. Blizzard only makes games for casuals since they sold out to EA.

D4 is so casual Elon can beat it

D4 is an ok side game to refresh yourself for your main game.

Going? always has been.

The thing that Diablo IV and PoE2 both ironically have in common is that they both can be played casually. The difference however is that PoE2 has the OPTION to go further.

The real reason why this topic comes up so much is because die hard GGG players were also die hard Blizzard players. PoE wouldn’t even exist if it were for D1 and D2. That’s why Diablo will always be brought up in PoE forums, same as PoE will always be brought up in Diablo forums. It’s unavoidable and people need to get used to that. The complexity of the game derives from Diablo games of the past. It’s heartbreaking to see such a great franchise dumb down so much to the point of mediocrity when they could still appeal to both worlds in gaming communities. That’s the REAL sad part.

Been playing Diablo games since part 1 when I was a kid, D4 the first to make me finally retire from it. But I don’t hate them for it, I actually want to see them win. But the way I feel about PoE2 I wish D4 did, but it doesn’t. And that makes me sad.

(Never reads replies) The Armory addition alone is enough to bring me back. They’ve needed this since day 1. I’ve had so many moments in Diablo 3 where I was about to quit but switched from a rift grinding build to a speed running build and played for 2+ more hours straight. It’s actually a bit embarrassing it took them this long, considering how successful Diablo 3 was.

Diablo has been for casuals since D3.

lol. It was never a good game nor anything else than casual to begin with. Casual doesn’t mean low numbers of hours playing, but not having to think a lot when playing.

Dont mind casual just dont make it braindead

I owuld like to there be some kind of auction house for moce causual players to be able to get items and maybe sell boss materials to get more gold to buy uniques or better items.

They kept ignoring druid players and dragging their feet begrudgingly making minor changes while saying “we feel like Druid is in a good place”…. So now I play PoE2 instead.

How much is this new season going to cost us? 👀

i loved playing D1 on PS1 with my brother when we barely knew how the game worked, i didn’t enjoy D2 because of how insanely slow it is and how most skills were absolutely useless be it because they weren’t strong enough or mobs just straight up being immune to the damage type and D3 is by far my favourite game in the series because i can just log on at the start of a season play for a few days until i feel i had enough and reached my goals and move on to play something else so i’m glad D4 is also going the casual way because to me that’s what the series always was about

Diablo 4 best arpg ever made. It’s open world innovation alone is better than anything we’ve ever seen.

somehow i dont get it… is Microsoft-Activision-Blizzards payment so high that content creators cant be honest anymore? due to their obvious despair i wouldnt be surprised….

– Microsoft-Activision-Blizzard game on Steam? last time with Overwatch(2)… idk but i vaguely remember something
– game gets fixed to the communities needs – yet still developers have no idea what they are doing
– cash-shop everywhere + no presents… #missingBPcosmeticsfortheboringjunglemonk
– full price+ for an early access title
– Addons storyline is just…. infantile
– Elon Musk for Marketing-reasons in the most unbalanced Season so far

so where exactly wasn’t D4 a casual game?
offensive title imho

first time POE player and have 150 hours with POE2. If not wanting to be stressed and frustrated by losing your map bonuses/mods or losing a trial due to some randomized Afflictions, means I’m a causal, then fuck yeah D4 is for the casuals lol

i dropped d4 because it was always casual. They wont commit for actual endgame. Its meant to be a side game. I wasnt looking for another candy crush i play 30 minutes on weekends.

Oh, look! Another season, another Helltide revamp.

Always has been.

Poe2 bad. Sorry you dimwitted clowns cant accept the truth

It’s not about being for “casuals”, it’s just a shallow and poorly designed arpg, casual or not.

D4 has always been for the filthy casuals, but that’s smart, those are the majority

Looking ok i will play po2 and d4. Domt like op spiritborn.

I’m all for casual and I’m a dad gamer I maybe get 5 hours a week to play sometimes I don’t play at all for months.
That being said D4 is still TOO casual for even me.
I don’t understand their laziness and direction of this game

D4 has been casual since its release…

poe2 loot filter on ps5 is bugged bros, i hope it gets fixed

Going casual is not that bad but … still they should take more risks adding more complicated things to the endgame etc. also let us have seasonal mechanic when season ends but make those nerfed and less common (add gems with witchcraft powers you can wear 2 of those and one forgotten power gem, farmed thru open world/dungeons at random encounter fighting with heads).

The only thing that will make this casual player to play seasons is if the character is continued into later seasons to get to progress the same character..

The game already makes it really easy to understand what is going on.

So, since D4 came out I have been told that this is the most casual of casualst games in the genre and only babies with no working brain play it. And more than a year after, there are now videos asking if the game is going casual?

and we know what happens when Treebeard is pissed.

I see now… Small content game means “for casuals”

Nothing wrong with “casual”. People use the term like it’s something “bad”. Happy there is a game for everybody to have a good time. I personally play Poe 2 atm. and quitt Diablo after Season 2 for severall reasons, but Diablo makes some things right or better, so does PoE. For me a child between both would be perfect 😅

Yea, let the capitol G gamers play poe2. I’ll stick to d4 for a more comfy experience

Diablo has always been a comfort game for me d4 is the first time I feel like I need to invest brain power to go end game. That maybe good for some people but as a poe player aswell I used diablo 3 for brain off fun. And I love the lore.

PoE 2 strays a bit too far into time sinking to get to the first tier of endgame boss pinnacle content. D4 could do with a bit more grind, and item customization

I still feel like I wasted my money getting D4. I was a huge fan of diablo games but I have zero desire to play with the direction they have gone.

Diablo IV being a more casual game is what I’m here for, and is why I don’t play Path of Exile. I play games for entertainment, not to prove my status as a pro gamer.

Plot twist, Diablo was always like that. It was a game series designed around its good campaign/story and some “NG+”/collecting the dream items. Remember that we chased the uniques because they were cool and almost collector items, not because they were the only way to finish a build. This all made Diablo what it is, a game that created a genre and is the reference that everyone knows and come back to play.

The “competition” went the way of the parts/niche that Diablo never fully dabbled in, or even decided to make fun of its role/campaign (why?) as a way to market their own game.

And to be honest, if you want to push a seasonal game that constantly resets your progress, it shouldn’t be a game that complicated to do that every 3 months.

Their identity crisis with D4 was more like trying to get some kind of D2 back (and moving away from D3) while at the same time trying to also get into the mmo/social game style of Diablo Immortal/”live service” games. And all that while already deep into the game’s development progress (clearly seen from the performance/loading problems and “loading stash” dilema when changing from the usual Diablo game to a open world co-op).

This game is beyond boring

D4 was trash and a dissapointment

Can’t go back to D4 until they give a god damn map overlay, my eyes hurt after less than an hour of play.

Going casual is code word for focusing on micro transactions .. farkin germs ruining a great game

buff corpse explosion

Good, I dont want POE. I find POE2 to be a boring grind, with super basic combat. Attack, roll, attack, roll, attack, roll. Id much prefer to jump into a D4 season for a few weeks, finish off my toon and then move back to other games.

D4 is a revenue focused game. It’s like the gym model: The hardcore people take up the most resources but still only pay the base rate. New players give you that spike when they buy the game but also when they use the shop while they are still in the honeymoon period. Then they move on. You already have their money but don’t need to make them happy any longer. Better to go get new players to max your revenue.

Was it ever not for casuals? lol.

HUH It was never not a casual game lol

It’s pretty common in A lot of games! Devs usually end up having to pick a side cause making Hardened Vets and then ur avg casual dude happy with the same product is Slim2None at best! It’s just the game world now, sadly there is no lets make a game Purely for Fun anymore. P.S. maybe One day that will Change I Hope!!

I like to not have to think when I play diablo. I really enjoy the speed farm playstyle with things that I can challenge my build when I want to (like grifts in d3)

antifun, devs dont like powerful builds that can beat pit 150, hate giving out loot for citidel and lilith, bunch of gatekeeper wankers

D4 has now just become D3 2.0. These leagues are woefully mediocre compared to what PoE and LE does, and their balancing and system changes are just anemic at best.

Diablo 4 is my game to turn my brain off a bit, slap on a podcast or music and just vibe. I play it while my uncles are playing it. My dad sounds like he’s getting ready to jump back in too.

I think they could hit a wall when casuals will be more than ok with the base game and season changes. They might not be interrested in buying skins and expansions and just stick with whatever the seasons will give them.

Going “casual” means easy and cheap to develop. I wouldn’t be getting my hopes up for much else coming from this game. D5 release soon?

Is going casual O.o? It ist since day 1….

I definitely agree that Diablo IV has been trending much more towards casual players…most of the “mandatory” challenge has been removed compared to when the game first released. I remember in the first season or two trying to plan when to tackle the keystone dungeons to advance to first World Tier III and then later Tier IV – I’m approach the game in a more casual manner and those dungeons were not always that easy and I felt a sense of accomplishment to succeed. Compared to Path of Exile 2, where there practically the whole game is a “mandatory” challenge, DIV definitely gives players a much easier path, leaving the harder challenges as purely optional. While I admit that I am much more of a casual player, I find I do appreciate the sense of accomplishment from making progress in POE2. Ultimately the casual appeal of DIV will likely be a good thing towards keeping it sustainable.

As a side note, I really wish the Blizz Devs would stop making stupid design choices (e.g. the Firebolt enchantment) that leads them to have to try to fix their mistake (but probably not for another 1-2 seasons down the road)…. =^-^=

Blizzard should worry about not legacy people‘s gear that they worked hard for💯💯💯

Becauase it’s so hard to take 2 mins ro port to the tree *shakes head*

That’s what I like about it. There are other things my life.

Bro diablo has been casual since reaper of souls lol not bashing it thats fine to have option

Imo, ongoing live-service games being casual or not is a very nothing subject. Much of the criticism levelled at non-casual games seems to stem from players with little time experiencing FOMO and feeling like they, even though they have less time themselves, should still be able to keep up with the current end-game. It’s their feelings of not having enough time to be get to the top or the end. That shouldn’t be on devs and other players to cater to. Someone that has little time should be okay with not completing top-tier content in any hurry, they shouldn’t feel like their experience is lessened because other people are ahead of them in a non-competitive game. These things are personal flaws, not things that define us as players that need be catered to. It’s 100% okay to only play when we’ve got time, it’s okay that we don’t get to delve into end-game or fight the toughest of the tough bosses for the rarest of the rare loot that is really only useful in the content in which it drops. Those things shouldn’t not be in the game because some players won’t reach it. It’s there for those who do and it’s presence, in the mind of healthy person, has no bearing on our own play experience.

For example, when I was younger I would play WoW after school. Being a student at the time, I didn’t have much time to play and would be considered a casual player. I never reached the point of joining a guild and doing team-raids, but then I also would never have said that the game isn’t meant for me because I wouldn’t reach that point. The questing and levelling was enjoyable, heck even just exploring was good. The only pressure I felt in terms of getting through the game came from myself, not the existence of content I didn’t have time to get to and certainly not the presence of players that had all the time in the world to play. Other people experiences do not change your experience, and if it does, that’s on you.

It’s more or a game for beginners poe is for more intelligent people and take more ti.e too build

Can I play this D4 league on my phone?

I’m behind D4 being focused on the “everyman”. Too much of RL caters to the elite at everyone else’s expense.

Diablo has been for casuals since BLizzard sold out to Activision and the CCP. They’re only another Marxist zombie company for leftist social engineering now.

What is the class/build playing throughout the background of this video? It looks rlly fun!

Yeahhh I wanna like PoE2…. It’s feels and plays like temu Diablo tho so I end up not playing it.

who wants a casual diablo ???

I’d like to seem more emphasis on skill but sure keep the grind as is, not every game requires me to burn hundreds of hours a season

d4 was always for casuals.
like d3.

why does it looks like d3 again

Hate how simple the builds are but how much work you have to do to change builds. For it to be casual its way more work changing builds on D4 then Poe2. They either to make it simple or complex. Not both

Sounds good to me.

Casual direction is fine.
Though I would like to see some improved endgame bosses with real mechanics that are fun and based on skill. The game does have a dodge button.

Just came here to say im pretty surprised this video has so many views

I like how in 2025 its basically “D4 is not PoE therefore its casual”.

D4 has been a dumpster fire since release

well it has to be casual otherwise elon cant play it^^

I really like D4 it has an edge against PoE they are equally fin but in different ways

I don’t really care if the game is meant for casuals honestly. I care about content and them living up to it being a live service game. I still feel robbed with the story on XPAC, and I had hoped for them to create a living world of Sanctuary. Instead, they’re just rehashing old season themes, which is quite a bad sign this early in the game’s life. At the moment there doesn’t seem to be anything to ACHIEVE with a character, if that makes sense. Literally nothing in this game is difficult.

Sounds like a pretty great patch overall!

No one plays this game anymore…might as well stop making videos about it.

Time to Instal Diablo agen

I consider myself a casual gamer, I’ve got a job and family and can’t spend so many hours gaming anymore… Yet after playing PoE2 I can’t force myself to enjoy D4 and I have really tried… It just seems empty… After 2 weeks of a season there’s nothing more to be achieved and I’m just waiting for another season and reset so I can do the same things all over again… Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big fan of Diablo, first game was the game of my youth, I’ve played D2 for 2 decades and D3 for about 7-8 years, but now I think I’ll just play new expansions to see how the story evolves…

DLC is still overpriced xD

Its settled into its identity of a bad game

Archetype bags sound great to me, I enjoyed the system in D3 where you would get a guaranteed set as you progressed through the season.

If this game is for casuals now, I want no part of it. Easy games = MASSIVELY boring. Am I wrong?

Just wanted to add my perspective. The closer this game gets to Diablo 3 the better it is for me. I am a lifelong Diablo fan, my most played being D2. I absolutely LOVED D3 post RoS because it just felt like an beat-em-up action game. It was super fun to blast for a month every season and then go play other games. If D4 starts to emulate D3 more, I’m happy. I would also like to see D4 emulate some of the group activities from Diablo Immortal.

On another note, how lucky are we as ARPG fans to have so many options available to us. I can play POE2 when I want a more punishing/challenging experience. I can blast D4 when I come home from a long work day and just want to turn my brain off. My 11 year old daughter and I are currently playing D2R together and having a blast. We also have Grim Dawn and Titan Quest 2 sometime this year.

It’s a good time to be an ARPG fan.

I hope they lean into casual. PoE is there for the sweats and they will never be able to make those fans happy.

Diablo and PoE could release the same content under different names and D4 would get crapped on by sweats. Its time for Blizzard to leave them behind

Settling? I thought it was for casuals since the start?

Diablo has always been casual. You make the most money courting the casuals. Every AAA game is casual for that reason. People just delude themselves into thinking they are “hardcore experts playing a hardcore game”.

Genuine question: If D4 is casual, then what is Immortal? Ultra Casual? I tried it again a while ago cause I was curious to see how it turned out. It is SO braindead. You’re just supposed to press flashing buttons. Auto walking. Boost to 60 immediately. Piles of gear as a reward for, like, logging in. Etc etc.

My problem is character balance, we found ourselves in a situation where spiritborn outclasses everyone at every level of the game, and I’m not talking about subtle differences but about percentages of around 100k, it’s a shame and embarrassment. It’s simply not worth playing anyone else because you feel like an idiot. Diablo 4 is beautiful, Diablo 4 is dynamic but has no depth, it’s shallow and I don’t know if the guys from Blizzard are able to change that. Every season I feel like I’m playing the same thing despite subtle changes. The game needs major changes and a solid refresh, give us a reason to play it.

They are STILL recycling the same stuff from the first 2 seasons. Who the hell is still playing this game?

As a 32yo married Doctor with little time to play videogames, I love to have an easy, casual, aRPG alternative

Diablo has always been the arpg for casuals

It would be the smartest thing they’ve done in a while if its true. They are not going to compete with POE2.

Feels like this wasn’t even a question. It’s exactly what they should do. I enjoy both games for different reasons and I think D4 absolutely should lean into it.

The endgame grind is just sooooo repetitive and the item rewards are just generic items you have no attachment to. The saving grace of Diablo 2 where youre just speed running boss kills is that when you weren’t getting any of the desirable unique, runes, or set items, you were at least getting sort of neat low level items you could use on your next character.

i love that diablo 4 is leaning towards casual and fun and short arpg gaming that looks good. I do not have 40 hours a week to go through a game just for it to be destroyed and having to do it over again or need some sort of crazy FAQ to follow meticulously to get to the end game. I love being able to play casually, have great visuals and fun and just build your character. after a month or two you take a break and look forward to next season. to me, that is my perfect situation and i’m glad diablo is like that. cosmetics look great too

It would be ok if they didn’t charge so much and tried to suck all your money.

I like playing Diablo 3 because it’s a more recreational game. Diablo 4 is more limited in the loop and more tiring to improve equipment. My favorite ARPG is still Grim Dawn and I’ll play POE2 when they release it to the general public.

They didn’t make a new Diablo 2. They chose from the start to instagram filter a diablo 3 and tossed the word dark around using the diablo name. That is and all it will ever be, a somewhat better diablo 3.

And path of exile sucks, i don’t wanna hear a thing about it.

Diablo 2 and its mods > all ARPG’s.

D4 is the arpg for no one

Witch doctor is such a shit class. Why use that as a framework? Once again d4 proves how garbage it is.

Im fine with D4 being casual, but theres really no excuse to give options to hardcore players. You can make the game have optional hard content and still have it be largely for a casual audience

Im kosher it going casual.

Gaming doesn’t need to be your life. Gaming should be casual.

Double down on casual I say. If anything PoE2 released taught me is like D2, that style of ARPG is NOT for me. I’m not saying it is bad for everyone but PoE2 is a terrible game by my standards and I do not understand the appeal of most aspects it trys to get at. D4 is vastly more understandable, relatable and fun FOR ME!!!

d4 looks like a phone game autobattler

Im happy with the way things have progressed with diablo4. Im looking forward to this next season and i generally feel its a good season if i can but 2 weeks or more in to it to accomplish most of the things i want and now that there is finally an armory i think ill have a lot more fun experimenting with new builds without worry of wasting time trying to get my original build back in place if i dont like it. POE2 on the other hand is also fun but im not really trying to get to invested in it until they go full release

EVERYONE i know have stopped playing D4

Its more like d4 dont know what they are aiming for and they change all time direct… Im not goona say d4 is bad cos PoE2, they are mostly hiting themself…

Your not going to be able to CATER to EVERYONE, YOU will KILL YOUR GAME IF YOU DO. IT won’t please the community that HAS BUILT your game. There is always an AUDIANCE and its NOT EVERYONE!

I’m curious what D4 player age demographics are…
Kids grew up playing D1/D2 are now in their 40s, as myself.
20 years ago, I had no problem pulling all-night Baal Runs and went to school in the morning.
Now, in my 40s, best I can muster after putting kids to bed is couple of hours before I fall asleep on the keyboard.
I tried POE2 and quickly realized it’s not for me.
D4 is quick, can hit max level in couple of days, can try out hand full of different builds in a season, and I’m satisfied.
POE2 is great game, but D4 fits my life style better.

Good

Path of Exile 2 will soon go the way of Path of Exile. It’s chasing away the very audience it wants. Yes, it wants the new players and most of them don’t like an obtuse, super hard game. There’s a reason PoE is now down to 7k (on average) players and why GGG needed to make 2 into a whole new game rather than just an expansion to a dying game. They need to be easier, because they’re not getting much audience and money otherwise.

Man, after they announced season 7 and telling you how to play it, this just tells how much they take their audience for a bunch of babies. Their over the top reactions just makes it very cringier. It’s okay if they want to be casual, but for the love of ARPG, please talk to your audience like they are actual adults.

Can it be more casual then it is right now?

IMO. POE 2 is more causal friendly. No soul bound gear. Can buy and trade any thing. Flexible builds. I was never able to create the character I wanted in D4 cause the gear never dropped for me. In POE2 I can change and have a working build in under an hour.

This game is dead

When you say new players, are you referring to those who have never played computer games? Because all that remains seems to be mash buttons (because it’s not even a computer game now, is it), and sparkle happens. New blah blah blah. It’s the same ol’ scheme. It just sucks in a different color scheme.

I hope so, we casual players want to get more enjoyment out of the game too. We are also the VAST majority of players who wish to play the game.

needs more classes if they are not going to increase skills options in skill trees

Let’s face it, if you are looking for a casual button smasher to play casually either co-op or especially couch co-op with friends, there really isn’t a better game than d4.

Why is it the norm now for games to take over your entire life? Games are for having fun and there’s nothing more not fun than a job.

They should still plan to add an endgame progression system to go beyond what they have now. When your build is powered up there needs to be more difficult content to do and something for doing it.

Do you have to have the expansion like you gave 2 for season 6. Like rune words

Diablo 4 looks like mobile game IMO

they could be casual and do leaderboards at the same time, then it is d3 with better graphics and better monetization, which is all they need.

Casual gamer = who has a job

Diablo has been casual since 3.

The nerf to elite pack density in Head Hunt territory was a mistake.

Doesnt look diablo-like

D4 still feels a lot more.. cozy than PoE2, they’re feel very different.
Overall I think PoE2 is a better game, but it tires me out very fast.

Blizz continues to roll out trash, legends

Yeah! Let’s get some head!

I would like to see GA Uniques unique powers like this:

1GA rolls 25% or more
2GA rolls 50% or more
3GA rolls 75% or more
4GA rolls 100%

At the very least a 4GA Unique should roll a perfect 100% unique power, because of the scarcity of them.

With GA Mythics. I would like to see bonuses added to affixes beyond what you can obtain from masterworking…for example

1GA Mythic, you can pick 1 affix to add an extra 10% to the affix
2GA Mythic, you can pick 2 affixes to add an extra 10% to the affix
3GA Mythic, you can pick 3
4GA Mythic, gives you a 10% increase on every affix beyond what max level masterworking gives you

or how about

Letting us take so many mythics and trading them in for a 4GA Unique of our choosing per season!

Ugh Rob has nothing but trash content. One line wonder “the new meta”

D4 going casual is smart…as there are a metric crap ton of Dad gamers that will support it…on the other hand Zenimax taking ESO hardcore is stupid because Casuals basically supported that game…lets see which one is still around in three years

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Diablo 4 targeting casual gamers, as long as it is still feasible for hardcore gamers to really go nuts.

I’m really curious how many “new” players are doing PTRs?

And what about the “we want solo play to be completely viable” rhetoric and then making the Dark Citadel IMPOSSIBLE to complete without another player? I call BS on that.

This is actually cool, I love both poe2 and d4 and I like that I can switch from a challenging ARPG to a more casual one to just blast shit!

Most players are casual, I’m a dad with two kids and barely have time for gaming, but I still prefer poe2. There’s a lot of content there if you don’t follow builds and don’t engage in trading. Progress is slow, but I’m not in a rush either way. But Diablo is cool too, who cares what anybody plays, just have fun.

Diablo has always been super casual

very much looking forward to playing this season, been playing POE 2 & while I’ve enjoyed it im def ready to play something else.

well I have said this for years…. instead of the stupid and overlooked and broken HARDCORE mode. They need a Normal, hard and expert modes. Expert could have no revives and lowered drop and xp rates. Normal you can craft cheaper and can not brick items… and Hard would be part way between the two… Then everyone can play the hardness they prefer.

Blizzard and D4 is finished, No new ideas, just reskins and retreads… Lazy and they expect my time and money…. No thank You

If you need Excel spreadsheets to play a game, it’s not a game worth playing. Shouldn’t even be considered a game. If the opposite of that is ‘casual’, sign me up!

ffs. you spend hours into the early morning farming for one mythic with affixes you never actually get, ot just a 3GA upgrade of a unique, you do this for endless nights and then the season runs out before you ever get it…. this is for casual gamers. WTF?

I will also go get the bird. Was not assuming I would be playing d4 for a while, but oh well 😀

Twitch streamers and try hards have ruined gaming. When you are chasing meta builds and guides to be “successful” at a game…are you really playing the game at that point? I love to play games at my own pace and leisure, and it’s ok to be normal gamer that works for a living. Not to take anything from the hardcore crowd, it’s just not realistic achievement for everyone. I’m looking forward to season 7, hope to see ya’ll in Sanctuary!

well ppl don’t call d4 bad cuz it is a casual game, they do it cuz the amount new content you get between path of exile and diablo is so huge. every season looks so similar in d4. that is lazy development.

It wasnt casual b4?

People say D4 bad. I understand. I like it. I think it’s great for about a week or two each season until you’ve capped out the progression and start zooming around button mashing essentially invincible. Now, there are plenty of others to play that will keep filthy casuals busy for an unhealthy amount of time. PoE2 should logically compel Blizz to work on the bosses to make them actually good. I think it will be better for everyone in the end.

Given how poorly PoE2 if performing, its probably a right move. PoE2 was hyped as “D4 killer”, but its only losing players since release and no new players are coming in, so it does not seem to be successful model.

Diablo 4 going casual? This game is already more them casual.

its a bit wierd how diablos 4 always ge thtis ahr djudgment all the time lol-..gosh stop just enjoy the game

as someone that still plays Diablo 3 because it is casual, I really wish they’d allow me to play it offline already

I love D4 and fun blasting away. I hate the souls kinda game that feels like you slog through mud at every turn. And I like beautiful graphics and character creation. Many games find out pretty late that only catering to toxic intense players and ignore casuals who like just fun , end up not making money cause alienating casuals is not a good business model.

the second they wanted some live service always multiplayer to capitalize on the FOMO whales this was always going to go the D3 route. And thats fine. The also finally released a reason to finish a season that isn’t pay to win unless that pet is locked to season pass paying people only.

I dont cnow abouth this casual thinking but i rly like D4, this game its just amaizing. you hawe choises to make your game hard and easy, and i rly like this. you can play how you whish. the graphic and storys ar amaizing. All i hawe to tell to D4 team is theat they do exceptional work and i see the work behinde every update. The Vasel of Hatred is impresive and the new class is super. Anyway Barbarian its my favorite and i will play this game until they whill chose to not continue whit it. ❤❤❤❤❤❤

I’m a hardcore player and I love D4. New Seasons last me about a week before my Character is chewing up all the available content and there’s nothing left to chase. A game like PoE2 takes 5-Times as long to reach the same place. But I love my time in both.

D4 Bad

The casuals aka 90% of people who dont try to make a living playing video games lol what is this world

Casual is better, I don’t have the time anymore to grind hours and hours a day.

Diablo 4 is fun for 2-3 days each season. I guess if a casual player can make that content stretch out for months then power to them. I have more fun playing POE 2 or even Grim Dawn personally, and I can play those games at a casual pace too. Casual in D4 simply means lack of content to me. You can play any ARPG at a casual pace.

Finally a intelligent company

Don’t know about you guys. After getting into POE 2, i have complete lack of interest to jump back into D4.

Leta get some head boys!

Problem with the spirit borne being soo OP was that i completly stop playing because i was playing Druid/Sorc and my friend, he was SB, he would storm away from me and clear everything and i could just not keep up. So if you ask me stuff needs a balance in the season if a class is way stronger than the rest.

They dont want to compete with POE2 for the hardcore player base lol

im super glad they going casual. All sweaty non lifers player can go play their beloved poe2 and shutting up for eternity.

D4 is not bad, it’s a terrible money milking machine. Doesn’t even have ‘Diablo’ in the game lmfao.

Oh noes the streamer that plays video games 24 hours again is calling a game casual… blocked and unsubscribed

Cant wait. For now I’ll just play history again 😅

wdym “going casual”. D4 was for casuals from the start.

Remember the casual Elden Ring that really blew up, since players don’t like a challenge? Or that casual BG3 that popped off after players were turned off by the way too challenging Turn-based TRPG gameplay?

neither do i.

Buffing back barb again ? Buff Nerf Buff Nerf. Bye Bye

d4 bad

At this point, both PoE2 and D4 feel pretty casual overall. Sure, you can dive deep into min-maxing in either game, but by around the 100-hour mark, you inevitably hit a wall.

In PoE2, once you start trading for gear, you pretty much delete everything, including the sweaty endgame bosses. And let’s be honest, for each class, there are maybe 1-3 meta builds that actually work, while the rest just feel like filler. It’s not great, but I still enjoy both games to some degree.

I wouldn’t call myself a great player, but I put in the hours—sometimes a lot—and I find moments of happiness or disappointment in both games. The issue with PoE2 for me is that gear and crafting never feel rewarding. After one day of trading, I went from cruising through T18 maps to absolutely flying, trivializing everything. But in those 200 hours of grinding before trading? Nothing I looted or crafted felt impactful or exciting.

D4 has the opposite problem: it rushes you to the finish line. There’s no real depth or variety in mechanics or bosses to test your build once you hit endgame—you just dominate. And yeah, that’s not satisfying either.

PoE2 has Tencent behind it, with 300-500 devs working exclusively on one title with leaving PoE1 a little behind. Meanwhile, the D4 team probably maxes out at a fifth of that in the core team after the parades of layoffs, with Activision and Microsoft execs looming over every decision, often overruling the actual ARPG designers and devs who understand the genre.

Here’s what I’d love to see:
For PoE2: Make grind and loot actually matter. Trading shouldn’t be the only path to power. Add true crafting depth, introduce an armory system, and give us more QoL features to smooth out the rough edges.
For D4: Give enemies better defenses and extend the grind to BiS gear. Add more engaging activities that push builds to their limits. And each season? Bring mechanics that are either ridiculously fun or utterly punishing—something that really shakes up the formula.

Both games have potential, but they’re missing the mark in their own ways. Hopefully, they evolve.

I wish Diablo 4 had more in depth gearing, it def needs more exciting stats for gearing. The aspect and Uber unique grind is just boring as hell. Makes the game feel stale in end game.

I played season 6 till they made changes in the patch. I was in the middle of grinding but they completely broke my build. If they gonna do the same in season 7 I will go back to D2R and POE 2.

I dont understand when people say that POE requires 25hours a day to play. It is just deeper and harder to learn, you guys have some mysterious anxiety that needs everything immediately. Have you ever read a book before? It just takes time, the NEED to be the strongest in 30 minutes of gameplay without any effort and even worse, failing and giving excuses. The richest and strongest character that i have seen have been built by dads that could play 1 hour a day.

Game for casuals players = 💩 game

Casual Gamers Bring FAR MORE $$$ than the Elitist Few

I’ve given up on many games as I hit 30 because no-life grinding and seasonal crap demand way too much time and mean there is tons of content I can never get without making each online or online-adjacent game a second job into itself.

I love Diablo 1-3 and even don’t hate 4 entirely, but I’ve haven’t had the time to even enjoy the seasonal content in terms of how it contributes to the overall lore of Diablo and it seems like they’ve actually put effort into making them make sense and be thematic. But given the seasonal aspect, it just passes me by. Makes it so when I login to D4, it’s like well why bother even starting during a season at all.

This is narrative twisting at its finest. This “casual” crap is just a built-in excuse to suck at making ARPG games. It’s casual? No. It’s just low quality content hiding behind an excuse.

Poe2 is so so so vastly better in all aspects. Former diablo guy, no more

Didn’t buy the expansion but excited to play the new season.

Nobody cares about Diablo four get rid of this trash

man i feel bad for you streamers. I’m quite the casual player so i love it but for you hardcore people it must suck. But I’m pretty sure the casual player base is much higher than the hardcore player base.

Diablo has been aimed at casuals since Diablo 3 hit consoles. I don’t know why anyone is pretending otherwise. They made a billion design decisions on base Diablo 4 ultra tailored towards casual gamers. The fact that the UI has been heavily pushed towards couch co-op being the biggest example of it imo.

“easy to learn, hard [or almost impossible] to master”

Game is so dead 🤣
They must really pay you well to keep promoting it

Whether they embrace casual or don’t, I think the players have already decided that for them. I HOPE they embrace it. This doesn’t mean being goofy casual – you can have a brutal storyline and brutal graphics and still be a game I want to drink beer while playing. You can have depth to builds and crafting while being comprehensible to the more casual player. All this is good. We don’t need PoE, PoE2, LE, and D4 all trying to be the same game. Let them exist in their own niches and when I’m feeling casual, I can’t wait for D4 seasons… when I’m feeling like I want to play Spreadsheets: The ARPG, I’ll play PoE.

Is there an offline mode yet? I’m sold if there is. Or make it like Diablo 2 Resureccted, where you can invite people as you see fit.

Going ? I thought it was that since D3.

i miss d4

There are players who don’t want to grind forever in an overly complex systems game like PoE but want something to do with their build. If blizzard doesn’t at an end game then that portion of the audience for ARPGS just has no game that is right for them.

The problem here is Blizzard charges 70 dollars for the game, charges for expansions, and has the gall to still offer cosmetics that can surpass the base game’s price. It’s greed and laziness that makes everyone ridicule D4. Play what you want, I play both, but don’t act like blizzard doesn’t deserve all the ridicule. POE wouldn’t exist if Blizzard hadn’t sh it the bed in the first place.

Good we don’t all have hours on hours to play games just the odd hour here and there.

Wait.. “going” casual? It always was..

D4 is perfect for playing a couple of hours at the end of the day to relax after work.

Hello Rykker, Im watching this video just to support you, because Blizzard has dissapointed me long enough, and finally poe2 is here.
Keep up the good work!
edit: I clarify, I have no problem with D4 going casual, is just that blizz is not for me anymore.

I can’t wait for season 7. This looks like it would be the best season yet.

ready for 34 season in diablo 3

I played POE2 and d4 was way harder, less fun and more grindy. BTW you’re that dude whose ad keeps showing up in my poe2 videos.

The truth of the matter is D4 is a Blizzard product, owned by massive corporations. They want to appeal to the masses for profitability. In order to show the need for their staff, it has to be profitable and sustainable. That means appealing to the more casual audience. It’s sad that I feel we will lose the qualities that made D2 and even D3 (to an extent) the caliber of ARPG they were, but we have to realize that corporate money, ultimately, means a watered down product that can appeal to a wide variety of people. The amount of hardcore or non-casual players are far less than casual players. GGG, at least as of right now, does not face that problem and can sustain with what they have to make a game that is more geared toward the non-casual and hardcore crowd.

I think that Blizzard knows this and is taking into account that the non-casual ARPG community is going to play POE 2 regardless. They also know that by putting in things that would make these players happy, they would be creating harder content or harder to find and chase items that would frustrate a large portion of the casual crowd. Example: “It’s not fair that he can get that item just because he can run a level 150 pit! I can’t complete that, why can’t I get that item so I can compete for that!” It’s just the reality of the situation. I believe Blizzard sees the non-casuals covered through POE 2 and Last Epoch and knows that we are going to bounce around through all of them, where they can get casuals to stay with Diablo 4 and continue to spend money on the cosmetics and progress their builds in a less stressful way while we non-casuals are grinding away through maps in POE 2 or the end game of Last Epoch.

I think our other best hope are the guys from Blizzard North and the new ARPG they are developing as well to see something that more resembles what D2 was and means to all of us while giving us something new and things to chase.

Your point about wanting to kill “game breaking” builds in 24-48 hours. I get why you suggest that, but the completionist in me, wants to be able to clear the highest level on content that exists and we NEEDED those broken ass builds to beat the highest level of the Pit. Are we supposed to just accept that the highest level of the pit is unattainable in a normal non build broken season then?

As someone who has kids, works two jobs. I want something casual. I play PoE2 and it’s fun but it is def a grind more than D4. I don’t game as much as I did before so spending a hour or two at night just to play is fine by me.

D4 bad, D4 is already casual

having an identity is better than not having one. i also am more of a casual player that loves to experiment with things rather than chase meta builds or go for the high clear or whatnot. i like to find things i can make work. my goal with D4 each season is finding builds that run well on T2 at least, because that means its enough of a success to me. so im glad its being a bit more “casual friendly” than other ARPGs and not going for the “make things complicated as heck but rewarding to figure out fully after a lot of time” approach because sometimes i want to play another game and getting stuff done within a few weeks or even a month or two allows me to hop off before burnout sets in fully and wait for the new season where i come back quite happy to experience whats changed and new things added in, as well as to experiment further. and im going to do a lot of that with season 7

Honestly, I’m hyped to see what Diablo 4 has in store for us. I was hoping POE2 would be my new main ARPG but it’s got a lot of issues right now and I don’t think it’s going to be for me when it’s fully launched. Not to mention the toxicity of the POE community is very draining. Maybe D4 can incorporate some POE2 elements like they did with Last Epoch to emprove the game.

19:34 Also, I think this is just a coincidence. No way Blizzard could pivot this fast after POE2 early access launch. I think in about 6 months we’ll see what their real reaction and plan is.

If they make eternal have seasonal rewards as well it would be awesome, those who wants to keep restarting could still play seasonal while those who wana play eternal could enjoy seasonal rewards too

Casual gaming moms and dads are thankful for that casual direction of D4 … I suppose. At least, I am.

I am not the kind to hate on one game or another but it seems we got D3 all over again, i guess. I love the world, lore and the setting of Diablo but this shallowness because of catering to casuals is making me not want to play.
I thought the start was good, was slow paced, was a decent base to build on, but they went fast with each new season more and more into zoom zoom, fast leveling fast this and that, here you get you gear handed to you and go run the pit because we don t have a fucking idea how to build an interesting endgame .. and even the dark citadel was for noobs too hard and they complained so we don’!t even try anymore.
I hope them skins sell well tho.
The perfect game imo would have been the Diablo world with POE gameplay, pace, endgame. I guess we can’t have everything.

Odd title. With all due humility and respect – D4 has always been about the casual player being able to enjoy the experience. Season 7 neither adds or takes away from that. It’s simply continuing to build upon (slowly for sure) what it’s already done. The title of this video tells me that the draw for viewership is now riding the constructed binary of:

– PoE is for hardcore and those with more time to invest
– D4 is for casual and those with less time to invest

Granted, I clicked on the video (but then again I always do I’ve been a fan of Rhykker for years) so I’m not taking smack here – I just don’t buy into that binary. I enjoy both games for different reasons and have sunk many hours into both.

I hope Season 7 crushes and the team at D4 continues to deliver their brand of fun

I hope GGG crushes in full release and continues to give us a great D4 alternative

Once d4 introduced paragon lvls again I said ✌️

Frankly? I think this is the way. Blizzard probably realized they won’t be able to compete with Path of Exile, and I think this series is at its best being casual. I’m an avid Diablo II player but I’ve always loved the simplicity of Diablo III and how it doesn’t overcomplicate things. I still prefer the Skill Rune system of Diablo III over the skill tree of Diablo IV, to be very honest.

TRASH

Like many others, I welcome changes that make the game more casual friendly. As we get older and busier we just don’t have the time to invest in ultra-competitive/complex games like PoE. I already have a job. I don’t need a second one. I want to unwind after work. I want a fun game where I can get creative with builds and still succeed without having to min max everything or compete against kids who play for 16 hours/day. Diablo is perfect for that. Developers should take note.

Do I think it’s more of a Casual Game? More or less, yes. I think PoE and now PoE 2, has always been for more of the crowd that enjoys a more in depth game and a bigger grind. I think D4’s BIGGEST mistake was trying to be “hardcore” like D2 or PoE. I understand the idea behind doing so though. The streamers and youtubers tend to (And this is just an observation) lean more towards “This is my career, I want to spend 16 hours a day in this game, and my feedback towards the game will reflect that.” I will never say PoE or PoE 2 are bad games, far from it, but they are more for someone with that much time a day to fiddle about and experiment. They get to get views for the guides and build videos they make and people enjoy watching them/following their guides. It’s a content cycle that works.

I’m not even going to say I don’t play games a lot, I will Play D4 anywhere from 2-10 hours a day, depending on if I have work or not. I’m far from Casual in terms of time spent, but I am more of a casual in terms of how I interact with a game. I don’t follow guides or walkthroughs or try to play the meta or anything. I just go in and do. My builds are never optimal, they are never the best… in fact they are often terrible. Sometimes I create a random build. I wrote a program to give me a set of 6 skills and I’ll build around them. As such, I change builds CONSTANTLY and that was very annoying to do in D4. I am elated that the armory is coming. If I want difficulty and challenge in my games I will go play Lies of P, or Elden Ring. Two games I absolutely love, but I don’t always want to bash my head against a wall. Sometimes I want to log into a game, put on a movie or listen to some music and roam around and do… stuff.

I don’t think D4 is a mindless game mind you. To some it might be and that’s OK. They are trying to find the most OP build possible and enjoy doing so. This game feels more balanced in a way where you can accidentally find a good build and I think that’s OK for many many players who don’t even want to bother with Torment 2 or more. D4 is just trying to find itself and reach that sweet spot. Hardcore folks will come back and beat the season in a week. People like me… well. I’ll put it this way. I finished the season just 3 days ago. I had fun using a silly build I’d never used before on my Druid. I haven’t even gotten to Torment 3 and I’m OK with that. I’ll hopefully get a bit farther this season now that things are a bit more convenient with builds, the tree, and other QoL things. (Not having to do the Druid Class quest for the 8th time will make me VERY happy. I hate doing that thing)

I’m honestly Glad they got away from “We are making D4 like D2” because apart from the Atmosphere (Which I also think D4 actually nails in most parts) I don’t like D2 that much anymore. I did back in the day but playing it now, even with D2R, is a slog. Act 1 is always a good time, Act 2 makes me feel sad, and Act 3 makes me hate everything. I don’t even get to 4/5 because Act 3 exists. It’s a restrictive kind of bland game by today’s standards (Again, apart from Art direction) so trying to emulate that was a mistake. The only thing I wish D4 would fully do is the one thing it will never do. Let me play without other people in the world. That’s the forever wish I will have that shall never be granted.

When wasn’t d4 casual

Casual is a good thing if you want to live in a basement and be a sweaty palm player bragging about how you spent 3000 hrs in a game doing the same thing over and over again the. PoE2 has you covered . If you just want to hop on smash a few things burn an hour feel powerful and then disconnect Diablo 4 has you covered each game has its place and should cater to its audience. I have a full time job and life and only a few hours a week for gaming I can’t really get in to POE 2 and when I see the streamers of that game go I been playing for 3 weeks put in hundreds of hours and beat 100’s of maps and I only found one tower that gets me to pinnacle boss so me with my 4-5 hours of gaming I can do a week means I’ll never get any where in poe2 but a more casual Diablo 4 I can do a lot in an hour

By casual you mean they stopped listening to the whiny 1% of players and are going to make the game fun ? Because if they keep listening to streamers/youtubers it’s not gonna end well

Going casual? When was it not casual?

If they only added more skills and skill variations to each class, this game would be so much better.

I would say go casual, and start leaning heavily into co-op lost ark style missions – this game cannot compete with POE2 so might as well do something unique instead

I think there is a difference between casual and mediocrity. I feel like peple are equating the two. Diablo 4 can still be very casual but add a little bit of depth to the game.

Hi Rhykker, I had the same impression, being a Diablo fan from the start but enjoying PoE2 more than D4 I understand their strategy but regret it. I would have enjoyed that they stick to their original vision of more slow pace tactical combat and more challenge. Unfortunately they were missing quality and core features and had to make massive changes that lead to a Diablo 3 sequel. Ultimately I think I will become a main PoE2 player participating in most D4 seasons but for a shorter time I guess.

Now that they are really going hard on D4 to be for casual gamers, I hope they make a new Diablo game that will be catered to the nolifers. Set it on a different time, maybe during the Sin War. Make the game slow and grindy and souls like. Make that diablo game what they envisioned D4 shouldve been.

i dont need another POE.just go casual.

This is how Diablo dies, with thunderous applause. Ironic considering the hardcore aspects about the series are not really what made millions of people play the first game anyway.

diablo IV is dead, go POE II

I prefer Last Epoch than Diablo 4. Not as simple as D4 and not as hardcore as PoE2. After PoE2 adds crafting and SSF factions, like Last Epoch I will play it more. Diablo 4 somehow is not for me, particularly after the DLC-campaign disaster. But to each their own I guess.

No link to patch notes wtf rhykker

Since Diablo 3 i mostly played every season and my main goal is to fully complete the seasonal journey, after that im done with the season. In D4 im doing the same thing – my goal is to 100% complete the seasonal journey and finish the battle pass, after that im pretty much done with the season. Games like POE2 are way too demanding for me and im not seeing anything wrong at having a casual ARPG games

No its 100% for you die hards that keep playing the game lol we casuals already got our fill and moved to our other games xD THANK YOU!

after seeing those DEI trans developers on the last fireside chat I never want to play d4 again

Loooooooooooooooool 😂😂😂

being THE casual ARPG is not a problem. Lack of endgame content is. give us something to grind at the end game that has nothign to do with equipment

Lol I’m a casual gamer it’s still bad

They dont have the talent of devs to make a game that isn’t casual. Funny people saying you cant be casual with games like poe 2 which is so untrue.

D4 is not for anyone as PoE2 is better 😀