Would you like to see an infinite paragon system in Diablo 4? Let me know in the comments!

Blogpost: https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/24096025/prepare-to-embody-the-spiritborn-pre-purchase-vessel-of-hatred
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Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/news/new-paragon-and-skill-point-changes-possibly-coming-in-diablo-4-vessel-of-hatred-345296

Timestamps
00:00 Intro
02:28 Casual Player Gap
06:50 My Feedback & Ideas

I think merge the two ideas ?

Infinite paragon board though after the current total number of paragon points and experience scaling to get additional paragon points becomes insane?

If they did infinte paragon.. they could make each additional node cost more points. Instead of 1 it cost maybe 5 paragon points but that could cause a major grind as well. And something to work towards

I would literally come back if they made it infinite. That’s all I wanted out of the game, to never stop. If there’s a ceiling then what’s the point. I’m not here to “finish the game”.

I think they will do as in D3 – however, not the infinite Paragon, but the changed version with a cap. Probably a cap of 250 or 300 points.

Infinite paragon would be interesting if they retool it. Let’s say hard cap X points like 100pts past lv 100. The infinite paragon points would be banked for other characters in the same account that would have access to a certain amount of excess paragon points. That way in the end, each character would have a maximum amount of paragon points like 200 total where 100 comes from the character lvling from 60 to 100 and the other from the excess paragon pts earned.

Infinite paragons caters to streamers, degenerates, bots and would destroy leaderboards. It’s an awful idea.

please please please NO infinate paragon!

Infinite paragonpoints would be a stupid idea

I wish paragon boards were like ascendencies, less boards, way bigger boards and more game changing nodes.

i like infinite paragon…. and im kinda casual, dong mind the gap with hardcore gamers.

I hate the current paragon system, overly complicated. D3 was better

Why people dont want gap between players who can commit and casuals? There should be reward system for those who pkay a lot

I just want to keep getting EXP that goes towards something post max level. Account level for cosmetics or something is fine. I just want to keep getting exp :P.

You are assuming the paragon levels above 225 is easy to get… if they are the same xp requirement you are suggesting for 95-100, then they are exactly the same thing, just displayed differently.

Why can’t you set up the Pargon board in the Eternal Empire so that it becomes infinite, time doesn’t play a role there… In 3 months in the season you have a time cap anyway….
🗓🕓 Tic Tac…

U ppl are weird I loved the paragon system in d3 to hear they may introduce something similar in D4 I’m excited about it u say it ruined d3 I say bs I can’t stand getting to max lvl in a couple hrs I’m one of those ppl that honestly wish they would remove lvl caps in any RPG game

Can’t be infinite in a paragon board that’s finite🤷‍♂️

the reason I like the infinite progression d3 has and want it infinite in d4 is because this to me is one ofthose games where you should be as strong as you choose to play and earn up to, if there is a limit to your strength it takes away from the experience for me. I wanna be able to earn power beyond others because I put in time to get that work done.

Makes super sense and coincides with the removal of the leveling cap where you cap at 10 levels above you

I think there should be some kind of infinte system but not paragons. I would like a whole other system

This has nothing to do with the video, but is it only me who thinks they should have some insane items that´s super rare to get, like ubers where on launch etc but abit less rare. I feel like there´s more fun searching for an item that´s really good instead of searching for the same item with a greater affix. I like ubers but i feel like you don´t need to try hard at all to get them, am i wrong?

My biggest issue with D4 right now is that there’s a point where you can’t really progress any further or earn any upgrades.
D3 paragon system rewarded you for simply playing, even if you didn’t find any good gear.
Meanwhile in D4 I often skip mobs because:
1. I can’t get any more xp
2. Uber uniques can’t drop from them and I can’t get any better legendaries/uniques

Isn’t that a situation we would like to avoid as much as possible?

The most important thing: Do we get more stash space????? I level 5 characters to 100 and tried different builds and my stash is so full i had to scrap/sell even 1 or 2 GA items!!!!

Going from 98 to 99 in diablo 2 was like 0% power difference as you likely already had your main skill and its synergies maxed out. The extra skill point just got dumped into some passive really… and the 5 extra stats was just 5 more vit almost 100% of the time lol.

I don’t know about infinite, but I would like to see more progression after 100. Maybe the shots start with more paragon but cap it at 500 for example.

Making an infinte paragon board sounds not so good … but they may do some other reward system where you can get more paragon points or skill points etc …

I doubt they’ll do infinite paragon points.

At this point in the season… I am stuck at trying to improve my build. I have gone from finding a new piece that improves my build every 4-6 hours of game time to finding one once a week of game play. (and I started the season way late). When I do get a piece that looks to improve my build I brick it 2/3 of the time. Meaning I could go several weeks with no improvement in my build. The contrast from that D3 where I could within a 4 hour game session: Have several pieces I could roll in Kanai’s Cube, Level up my Legendary gems a few times and (if none of that worked) get a paragon level or two. Essentially, I ALWAYS felt I was making progress to make myself better so I could complete a higher GR. This loop felt satisfying and rewarding to me. I like an onward progression system that rewards continued play. I don’t think just more paragon points is it. Some of the things on that board will NOT apply to my current build so what good will that do? Oh great I can put 1 point into say… more bleed damage but if I don’t do bleed on my build.. so what? I would rather see more levels in glyphs… But yes… more rewards for more time in character is good, within reason. LOL

BTW, with infinite paragon at least you make progress when at level 100. Not everyone is streamer with fans sponsoring you with items.

Rob, please understand this is SEASONAL game now, who cares of infinite paragon board, when all you have ends and you never return to what you built during season.

It’s a bad idea. Items won’t matter until you filled all your paragon boards. Players will find out the best way to farm paragon points and only do that. And when we have full paragon boards, then we will farm for uniques and uber uniques.
It’s better when players have to make choices and everybody isn’t playing the same build with the same gear. Like this season when you can play WW bleed dust devils without any uniques and uber uniques and speed farm pit 101 or do pit 130+.
The fun is to farm for better items and not paragon points.

Been wanting this forever! something to keep me playing the entire season

Dude what is the point in griding from 95 – 100 for a very long time, if the reward sucks? that argument makes zero point.

instead of pushing the amount of paragon it would be better if they made the item system better. Imagine if you could take any item in the game (excluding uniques) and redo it as you like: reroll every affix to the one you really need without going bankrupt after 5 rerolls, do tempering as much as you like to get a perfect roll for everything you want.. at this time this stupid Gacha mechanics is so frustrating, and when you finnaly drop an item that you want – you have 80% chance to brick the item and ragequit, cause the game brings you more frustration than pleasure from finaly winning favor of RNG God. It would be much better to have a system where you can methodically upgrade your character without getting fucked up by the system.

Give us LVL 200 CAP! 1 – 100 is casual, 100-200 must take half the season!!! OTHER idea is Infinite Paragon points!!! Paragon board needs a BIG rework anyhow!! as its boring AF, and could be WAY WAY more, giving unending depths to the game.

I like leveling beyond 100 even if I get nothing but a number. Shows im much deeper into the end game than a fresh 100.

An infinite system would be awesome. I play Only One character. I don’t play on the seasons much, that would be phenomenal for people that play on the eternal realm people like myself that only play 1 or 2 characters.

I wonder when we get RoF.

hey Rob, can you talk about the chat channel problem that console players often experience with? sometimes, not quite sometimes actually, its often that we cannot send or see the message from other players on the TRADE channel,, i just wonder what is the problem

wild idea here, if they want to implement infinite paragon how about you still have a fixed set of paragon points to allocate (current is 225 iirc) but you can now LEVEL UP each paragon node for a % increase of the node. And you cannot level the same node consecutively, you need to level up ALL 225 nodes before you can proceed to the next level. Thoughts?

Diablo 3 0.9b, ähhh Diablo 4

It atops being innees to uograde my gear to i need to endkessly grind

The fact that the best builds only use glyphs and legendary nodes, excluding everything else unless it’s accidentally on the path between glyphs is enough proof that the paragon system is trash. They should replace this complicated, tedious mess with a simple skill tree with the nodes being different glyph and legendary node bonuses like every other game does. Whoever created the paragon system should be fired but they won’t because they/them are probably a dei hire.

how can infinite paragon system exist when they literally want to cap everything on a pve game

1. The infinite system wouldn’t necessarily matter for seasonal characters as you shouldn’t have access to your total pool. 2. Did anyone else notice the key word of Legendary Glyphs

i see this only being an issue for pvp tbh

I’d hate to have the same stupidity as in d3 with the infinite paragon. Why would you do that, after d3 had removed it

I personally love the idea of the unlimited Paragon board. It makes the end game more interesting, allowing for continuous play and character improvement. Great idea!

Maybe take some inspiration from Borderlands 3’s Guardian Rank system instead of an “infinite paragon”?

“69” skill points 🙂

Eternal Legacy System😂 If Unpopular, They make anything to Legacy😂

Infinite paragon should mean reworking more systems in the game.
1. Groups should not have an xp bonus over solo. Groups can already clear content faster and have more synergies available compared to solo.
2. A maximum number of paragon boards being utilized would need to be implemented.
3. Paragon xp should be extremely difficult to complete at the very high end (just like Rob says).

infinite paragon was proven to be a terrible system in d3. i would be very surprised if they implemented this.

Why are people not talking about giving us the loadout system. It’s so annoying to change all the things in order to play diff. Style. Come on give us the loadout system

I guess a finite pragon board system would be good and something comes after that. maybe something similar to D3 …

infinite paragon is exactly why i stop playing D3
i really enjoy the idea that there are the cap
yet if there will be a cap within the board limit, its quite okay, as you can see the end of progression

it is needed to remove glyve leveleing, this is so booring and stupid

no Paragon must be capped

When I get bored with a game, I get out cheat engine and wemod and all that and just get everything right away and mess around with the game. I want that for D4 after I’ve had my fun playing it normally. It’s just fun to go extreme toward the end of season.

I just want account wide paragon levels, but definitely not unlimited paragon. I loved that part of Elder Scrolls Online.

If paragon ends up just copying D3 with endless power creep, I’m out. Game is already way too much like D3.

Please, just dont, Blizzard

Bring out runewords first.

They shouldve given D3 another expansion instead

Nah cant even be bothered anymore. Just not fun anymore. How many times can someone do the same thing 😂

I hope they dont change the paragon boards too much.. Maybe an extra 25-50 points. But not infinite, infinite along with the uncapped levelling will just allow people to get crazy high levels.

If they make it infinite, they also need to scale the content to be infinite. I guess it would be nice to have something to achieve once you have done everything, but even that gets well boring after 1000 paragon levels. Even if the paragon levels do end up going infinite, maybe as you get higher you get less points per level. For example, up to 200 paragon levels, we get 1 point per level, beyond 200 to say 220, you get 1 point per 2 levels. Then beyond 220 to say 250, you get 1 point per 4 levels. Then for the next 20 points you get 1 point per 8 levels. And just keep that style of scaling. Where yes, you could eventually fill all boards and all slots on each board, but its going to take paragon level 100000 or 200000 to get there. Its highly unlikely to be doable in a season of 3 months.

Or, an easier way to dev it would just be to massive ramp the XP needed to gain paragon points above a certain cap.

The goal needs to be to allow the casual players to get to a complete toon, and if you have the time and want to push further you can, but it shouldnt be made to be required to do most content.

I dont like the D3 system as it is, its just too simple. I kinda like the D4 paragon system as it is now, although once you hit the max, if you have a good build and good gear, the only thing to continue to play for is just grinding out best in slot gear or trying to get that ellusive 4GA Uber unique, or getting all your gear to be 3GA. That is where I am now, just either not picking up or sharding anything that isnt at least 1 or 2 GA. Sharding because I still after 150 hours of S4 on my barb have not completed his codex, I have a few entries that are 1 or 2 ranks short of the max. I bricked 4 3GA items on tempering over the weekend which had a good enough selection of stats to be an upgrade. So still a bit bitter about that, spent 13 hours farming, got 4 3GA items, and killed them all on tempering. So as long as they make tempering not feel like a punishment for all your grinding to find good gear, it will be an improvement.

Right now I’m typically not as happy when a 3GA drops, because I have in the back of my head that after I move it to my rogue to try get vuln or crit damage on it, assuming I manage to get that, move it back to my barb and end up bricking it because its got 2 rolls left and the dang game wont give me what I need. Worse still is when I have to xfer to my rogue to put crit or vuln on a weapon that cant be used by anything but a barbarian and it bricks the item after 6 rolls of something like cutthroat damage/crit, or marksman damage or crit. The fact they chose to put these tempers only on a rogue (sorc has crit as well I think) instead of a usable by all classes manual is pure stupidity to me. Even funnier, the all classes manual instead of crit and vuln has damage to close and damage to distant on it. Rogue should get one of thier tempers changed from vuln to damage to close, and one changed to damage to distant. Barbs should have damage to close, but get rid of damage to distant. Sorcs should have damage to distant, but maybe not damage to close… Well unless you have found a gravity ball lighting build that still works. Every class should get crit and vuln damage in a temper. Be it a single temper manual or two manuals.

Anyway, I dont think having extra chages based on number of GAs will impact the tempering, people will still be bricking good stuff just as much while the game is capable of choosing the same stat 6 times or more in a row without an option to reset the tempers. You can reset masterworking… Why cant you reset the tempering?

Also, what’s with so many 1-2 GA items dropping that only seem to give + health, or + resistance GAs. One can cap without that. + to all resistance as a GA would be handly for 1 item, but thats all you really need to cap.

Guess you wanted to showcase how popular you are with Elon replying to you 😉

I’m all for an unlimited progression system, whether it’s something similar to D2 or something else. But D3 is simply not working, not unless they make you gain like 1% dmg per 1000 paragon (after paragon 1000).

Not gaining any item/char upgrades during an entire session really kills my motivation. However, leveling and always gaining at least some experience seems to trick my brain. At least it worked in D2 and D3.

What if paragon enabled you to level glyphs beyond level 21? Perhaps with some serious diminishing returns (i.e. not AoZ glyph).

They could also enable some “rested” systems similar to WoW, where more casual players would gain more paragon exp for not being logged in 24/7.

No, God, please, no, no, noooooooo
No infinity paragon.

I think we will be better off with double the number of paragon points since they’re capped at 200. that would allow more optimization, than just infinite.

99% of people dont make any choice un Paragons, just copy builds from the internet

I like infinite Paragon

No, please no make it infinite like in D3. Total of 400-500 paragon points will be even too much. I would do probably 100 levels of paragon, and each give 3-5 paragon points at the end, but not infinite system.

If we had unlimited paragon then they would have to make higher world tiers so they could scale, also maybe implement a prestige system where you get character exclusive whether that be cosmetic or more paragon points or skill points

Infinite paragon would be awesome can’t change my mind

I do think they should increase the level cap on glyphs, itll give more reason to go NM.dungeon for longer.

Right now, basically once youre done with upgrading your glyphs which maxes out fast then you have no reason ever to do NM dungeons.

Infinite? How would that work? Once you fill out all boards? Would other boards just contain base stats or would they add that nifty shit like movement speed, attack speed, cooldown etc etc

That would suck…just let me get to the same level as the mobs.

Definitely makes the grind more fun if we do get infinite paragon.

And there hasn’t been anything remotely mentioned about infinite paragon. This is just you doing another video just for views

Watching this video i can tell you never played diablo immortal..

Nah, infinite paragon is a terrible idea and the devs know it.

Nothing about this suggests infinite paragon.

one thing i dislike is the intermingling of data and info… if it’s not related to Season 5.. then i feel like we are getting ahead of ourselves.. it’s sad we aren’t talking abt the things that will come out first.. they’ve been talking Vessel since freakin Jan… when it comes it comes.. don’t want to hear lvl 30 tier lists and other nonsense and the round of pre reviews and such.. just makes me think they have NOTHING for s5.. honestly.

I don’t like infinity. Will force my weak mind to grind even more or turn me into a botter :/

This will kill any competition like it did in D3 and turn into who plays the most and has the highest paragon

We should have a maximum point to put in paragon board. But after that, be able to upgrade the paragon board by litlle pourcentage step by step to infinite.

666paragon @Infinite paragon is a good idea for ETHERNAL REALM player lifecycle,
wher eyou can Min-Max your ULTIMATE PVP charater with all Seasonal gear down line passed down
I like that idea,
NOT for Season – thats stuppid af
*PS: Diablo 2 systems – bring them into D4 and it will be a GG game…. D3 was trash, fuck that game

Can someone explain to my why they won’t just let us level the glyphs higher? Make it grow by 10% infinitely every 10 levels……..
Gives reason for nightmare dungeons in the endgame.

Leveling to 99 in D2 was not hard, it was tedious and boring. I had three level 99s in 1.09 and got burnt out. Season 2 was the apex for D4. Loot Reborn sucks due to bricking and everything being intertwined with The Pit making it a job to upgrade gear properly.

Rob! 💪🏻

I hope it means seasonal content will be playable with eternal characters

Infinite for eternal, finite for seasonal

Why are they trying to reinvent the wheel. Dear Lord, they said they did not want to nerf the baba but make other classes be on the same lvl, how is that going, I wonder. There is so much they can fix in the game, yet they are going this route. How about bringing back charms, you bunch of halfa meatballs.

Hopefully they eventually add alter of rites and seasonal achievements 2 of my of my favorite things about d3

I dont want infinite updrades to my character, outside of maybe finding better rolls on 900 ilvl gear. A character needs to have an endpoint. That is what makes D4 fun for me. I can jump in to start the season and finish it all out in like 3 to 4 weeks.

If they bring infinite Paragon I will stop playing. It destroyed D3 for me and this will be no difference.

If they bring back infinite paragon, D4 will be dead to me and I’ve defended the game a lot since beta.

Infinite paragon was the worst feature any ARPG ever had.

I’m a casual player, i have a wife, 2 kids, 2 dogs, & 2 jobs…i hope they do unlimited paragon, push it to its extreme! Can’t hurt any

I doubt it will be endless paragon points. There will be a cap.
But anyway, season 5 is waste of time since they change all in season 6. Makes no sense even play season 5.
And i’m 100% sure they fail on the changes in season 6, and need the hole season to try fix it again.

So ill will maybe play in season 7 if i haven’t moved to another game in 6 month.

I have never had more fun than in season 4. And now it all gets changed, and god knows how that will turn out.

I think they can end up loosing a big number of players on these changes, many have really enjoyed season 4.
The future is so hard to see atm. I will hope in 6 month the game will be a decent game again.
And maybe i will come back, but now there is no reason to play the game at all. Have completely lost interest after hearing about the changes coming.

Infinite paragon would have to scale exponentially. 100 paragon takes 20 hours, 100-200 60 hours, 200-300 200 hours etc

I liked lvl 100 like D2.
I liked end of Xp progression and refining gear.
I liked no to use followers.
Now i get all this changed to get Diablo 3 reborn….i allready regret pre-purchasing…looking grim for D4 future

I think having the last 5-10 paragon levels be a grind is aweseome. I often feel bad when I reach level 100 because I want to kill mobs, but there is no satisfying reason.

Game gets stale when…
Can’t farm Stygian stones in pit tiers 101+ consistently. It feels like 1/8runs maybe.

I heard the higher pit tier the better chance you have at getting a Stygian stone. Well I have been trying to farm them and let me just say, IT’S BORING when they hardly spawn. Once you start farming for Stygian stones most of the other content becomes dry because all of the monster levels are so low that there isn’t challenge anymore. Then you cannot do Ubers because Stygian stones don’t drop… oh but I need 2 of them to spawn Tormented Zir.

Then I need 10 shackles to spawn Andarial. Oh but I used all my stones now I have 8 Shackles well screw this Stygian stone pit farming. It’s not fun to run it a thousand times to maybe get to fight Andarial once.

Increase the damn drop rates.

Infnite reduces the frustration during fthe search for good items.

REALY infinite Paragon Points are not “possible” in D4, you are capped at the Paragon Boards.
Blizz said, they dont want “fullskilling” the Boards.
But we can have all betwen 225-300, maybe 400 is “OK”, i think,
if we become more Boards and Glyphes and thats confirmed.
And yes, the last part of Points ist hard to grind is a good thing i think too.

we dont need a unlimited paragon
we just need paragon that can be utilized on all available board including new board

after some classes get a buff to main stat i do not want infinite paragon

I hope they do t do infinite paragon that was so dumb in 3 imo. Gp play with a freing he’s paragon 1 I’m 3 k not fun

I would like it. At level one hundred I’m feel once you are geared you’ve done it. GG. With more chance to get more paragon stuff makes me want to keep going.

Gives me a reason to still play, every season I’ve beat everything in 2-3 weeks have Ubers and nothing left to do. Infinite paragon is great, but it should be super hard to grind it to not create such a gap but rewarding enough for grinders.

the items need to be better. we need set items runes and rune words. and more content. fuck infinite paragon bullcrap thats a perfect way to turn the game into d3 all over agian. d4 isnt suposed to be d3 remastered….. we already have greater rifts. just plz somthing new . NEW SYSTEMS around old lore like set items and runes and rune words.

It was much harder to level in D4 at the beginning, but….

infinite paragon is so bad. worst thing ever in d3. plz god no infinite paragon.

I think infinte Paragorn would be great – when it does not give you power. For example, 500 Points to earn per Account (or Season) with compareable time effort like paragorn 2000 in D3. Then from then on you lvl up (for the feeling) but only cosmetic, and you can unlock some cosmetic items for example and other players can see how much you grinded.

i would like paragon that will not give other than stats after lvl 100 and ofc cap

This makes no sense. Are they forgetting we have 2-3 months season where we have to relevel a new character? I hope this is not the case unless our characters are crossing over to every new season.

Please stop sharing misinformation and shitting on D3: in their final update to D3, the devs capped paragon to 800.

Completely trash and useless speculative content thats already been regurgiated ad nauseum for anyone who bothers to follow this game. Nothing in this video supports the justification of using such a trash click bait tier thumbnail. Do better Rob and stop robbing us of our time.

Okay so hear me out. I agree with the non infinite points. But like Rob said, last few levels are much harder to achieve, but the last X amount levels give you an unchained Paragon point that you can place anywhere.

Yup, I see that coming as well. They can’t think on their own so they go back the D3 route. Rifts, and now the unlimited Paragon.. sigh..

i would love infinite paragon levels

Terrible news if true. Might be time to quit then.

Eternal more paragon -> Play to win / / In Season better pay to win 😂

Id be happy with expanded paragon especially if new paragon boards and glyphs are introduced but dont want infinite

Don’t want infinite.

Why does everyone keep saying they removed the paragon increments from the xp bar. If anything it looks like there are 11 paragon increments on the xp bar….

Or just make extra points for stat paragon not dmg and def ones or the end tree skills just to get extra will power strength dex into etc

if you want paragon caps, then youre for the stat caps everywhere else

I was hoping for a spiritual successor to D2, but they are going the D3.5 route. Happy for those who wanted that I guess, but for me at least, at least there are options out there for great ARPG’s for me to play. No harm no foul, just wish they had an actual team who has experience in ARPG’s running the show. Rod’s obsession with “gotcha” mechanics and material grinds are not the fond memories I have from playing Diablo 1 in college. This mishmash of rpg,arpg,mmo,warframe style game isn’t it.

But D4 Is NOT a Multiplayer game, so Who Cares ! If anything they have done everything they can to make Co-op Mehhhhh. Infinite Paragon points is Awesome, and Gives people who Do Not buy the Dlc and or play Seasons, a Reason to KEEP Playing.

Isnt pretty normal in any game that the more you play the more you go ahead?

i think they just wanted to split Level and Paragon Level.. thats all. Its the opening to adding every year a bit of max lvl for annual expansion – 70 max lvl next year etc ( or maybe only 65)… and adding a limited paragon levels. It can be maybe 300 this year, but its way easier just to add another 50 paragaon levels to max, then explaining everybody that max lvl will be 115 oraz 126 or 140.

so pretty much making the same mistakes over and over again

Infinite paragon would ruin the game. Finite progression is necessary for a game with leaderboards

Only Sorc need infinite paragon…

Like a COD prestige leveling system?

“Infinite” paragons but have experience required scale extremely high after say 200 points would be a good idea I think. So the experience required from paragon 200-201 would take as long as 190-200 and scale higher and higher as far as xp required. Would prevent things from getting too out of hand as far as character strength, but at least still give some incentive/satisfaction to playing once you’re max level

I mean maybe they go with the early Diablo immortal paragon system where there is no hard cap but a soft one for example lets say day 1 its paragon 50 then, 2 its 100… etc… but as you hit the soft cap each level after you just earn less and less per level until the next day when the soft cap increases, and with this the further away you are from said soft cap say its currently at 500 and u just only hit 100 you get like a 1000% xp multiplier which decreases till you start to catch up to the current soft cap. so anyone can catch up whether they want to no life it day 1 or speed run it after a week if you joined late

time to start looking for a good bot…😵‍💫

I hope not. I dont want another D3. D4 system is way more better.

I don’t like the (1), they should do it like in Guild Wars 2. Level 80 and then a yellow level where the points are.

This makes me feel like Michael Scott when Toby is back. iykyk

The universally hated Diablo Immortal at least had an interesting solution to the infinite paragon problem. There was a server paragon level that increased by a fixed amount every day. If you were behind you got a catch-up xp bonus and if you were ahead you got an xp penalty.

Not sure I would advocate such a system but D4 just bores me after hitting 100 and in D3 it was simply impossible to compete against 6k paragon seasonal players.

My prediction is everything stays the same and the 10 extra skill points are just from renown. I dont think they will change the paragon systeme that much. I think these speculations are tin foil heads 😀

Really

Making fundamental changes to the game. Seems unnecessarily risky.

i like infinite paragon 😅

Unpopular opinion: compared to what we have, an infinite paragon system would be better.
*of course, it wouldn’t actually be infinite since devs could implement a harsh diminishing utility system and on top of that, the seasons are limited and no matter how hard you blast, at some point the grind ends when the season ends — but still, have something to strive for would be amazing, especially since leveling is soooo damn fast.

Yeah, infinite paragon it’s not a thing, and we already know that they are not going to be infinite, we have saw a blu bar at level 60 with one paragon poin unlock, and we have seen also a gold bar either the level hidden, so that bar at some point reach the cap, and so no more paragon point, now we that 100% the paragon point will not be infinite, but we don’t know how many of them we will have, for sure more than 228 as now, maybe around 280/300

1:25 lowkey elon commenting on ur X…

Oh god no, i hope not.

lot of players leave D3 after infinite parangon update. Not immediatly for most but with time when they see they cannot compete anymore for top 10, top 100 or 500 depends on people because of gap of power.
Same problem same effect in D4, i can call it.

If infinite, reward as to be somehow skin, platine, horse speed, title, stash tab, small gold reduc to the merchand, but nothing scalling character power and stat.

If I wanted to play D3, I would just play D3. I’m not going to play season 5, nor does it look like I will play or buy the expansion. Thanks D4 for saving me money and pushing me towards POE2.

We could get infinite levels after 100, but we just get materials and special potions every level, that would be fun and we could see the level and experience rising wich is always fun.

Infinite paragon would basically make me quit. Have smashed every season so far. Dad with 3 career jobs and 17 children here

With new skills being added, I’m praying for multi shot for rogues!

I think its more likely that paragon boards as they are will be included in the leveling system, and new paragon will be similar to d3 giving static stat increases above max level

Gabynator watching closely plotting the return of his botting career with infinite paragon changes.

I don’t like the idea of it taking longer to level out, the average/casual player which is a large base that plays this game gets penalized. Give us some new paragon boards and maybe 10 extra points.

If infinite Paragon is coming I think I won’t play the expansion. A system where how strong you are depends on how much time you have to play the game is stupid. It will also strongly encourage botting .

Maybe there could be also a combination of both ? Surely not so soon yet, but eventually for the future ?

Let’s say you get the 225 Glyphpoints (or more with new boards, legendary glyphs and notes) and after that something similar to D3 where you can push a mainstat, gold pickup radius, crit chance etc, maybe also that u can rise max resicap or a something crazy like higher chance to get a hand on some goblins.

I really hope we don’t get an infinite system, it will just make any future leaderboards a “who can play the most” competition

Sorry Rob POE came out with a massively awesome update. There is no reason to play Diablo season 5. It’s a waste of money since the season is short and no new content is coming until Oct. RIP Diablo!

Also a good way would be to have smaller boards but keep the all nods except the normal ones and have more boards that you can unlock through someways like leveling or luck like the glyph and that you could Upgrade them like with Ressource like angelbreath or Something like that they could also make it nearly Infinite if the costs get more and more expensive so that you could just go even deeper in pit

Giving us paragon XP whatever hero we are playing would be good. Right now it is a kind of pushing us back (limiting) after hit L100.

Group play currently in D4 is nothing after leveling. Pit punishment with rewards, Tormented materials gain only for summoner. Why all player not getting reward who playing the summoning materials or Pit costs?

i just want a (Solo Self Found) Mode so i can PVP and Co-op with Likeminded players , and not get Lumped in with Players that Have Zero experience or game time that bought all their items Online With Real Money..

If they get leveling slow after 90 that would result the same as with Pit over 101, not much care about doing higher with punishment results.

the paragorn boards are an overbloated system. all the travel nodes have basically 0 impact.

Sharing Paragon XP between alts would be a good idea, while getting more power slowly after hitting maximum level would be good. After a while getting upgrade from simple items is out of option. Just getting 1-2 GA items is the most common among players I think.

Are the system like D3 i quit… i dont like it at all…

Infinitiv paragon = TERRIBLE
it is only for BOTS

Nope. Just changing how leveling works

Infinite paragon on external realm. Cap at seasonal. Fixed.

Wish we had infinite tempering instead of

What are u talking about — They did the system with hard to reach lvl 100 at the start of the game… It was the idea that not everyone would reach lvl 100 and it didnt matter …
but 90% of player hated it — so why regurdetation that idea ?? Dont you remember 1 year ago ????
U and other creators where one the spearhead to lvln faster … sometimes i am realy buffelt……

And more bosses diablo immortal got like 20 damn bosses that are not dungeons or world bosses

I think they’re going for an EXPANDED, but not INFINITE paragon system. Adding more boards, and adding an according amount of points, but not to the point where you over-fill your boards and have no choice anymore. If so, I support this idea. Adds more depth to the longevity/power of your character without going too far.

Good…I’ve been saying something looks a bit off with the xp bar at max lv …there’s no progress bar to look at and don’t say glyphs cause we can’t see progress till the end of dungeons but ends still boring we need a bounty system like in d3 and immortal cause that’s what keeps me logging in every day

Prefer endless system. I personally would appreciate it if gaining experience continues to play a role in the endgame. However, since each additional level should feel valuable, it should definitely not increase as quickly as in D3, but rather with a good exponential progression. For example, each additional level could provide +X main attribute and only every fifth level a Paragon point. This way, one would have a better sense of progression and still not too many Paragon points to distribute.

Hell no. Infinite paragon would ruin the game. No lifers would rule the game. Terrible if they are actually consider it..

So glad I finally uninstalled this game. Its a joke late game and you can hit level 100 in 6 hours, sucks i wasted over 109 days in game but I was optimistic at the time.

I hope they don’t go down the d3 path with unlimited paragon points

Please cancel Diablo 3 for good. We don’t want it back.

listen y’all should stop having fear of mechanics betwene casual and try hards. If we have soemthing infinite that is good for the eternal players new players still got the seasonal path to go on. saying we need to worry about gaps between players when there is a seasonal reset is wild. p/s i think it would be 5 paragon per level.

Better be a fucking bear summon for Druid

So this is the end for me guys. If they add infinite hamster on the infinite wheel I’m done.

Yeah ifthey dothis the game will be over for me, PvP has always been endGameto the real men that plays these games, with endless lvl just like the tears of blood glyph then PvP will be over and the game will be done for alot of us.

Wanna know what needs to change? Tempering, I’m so sick and tired of bricking perfect items all because I roll the same piece of shit Stat over and over, give us a percentage chance on them so we can see if we’ll get fucked a lot or not.

there is a better image of the paragon level turning blue instead of gold in the level bar, check your videos.

POE 2 anyways 😀

Sounds worth it for eternal realm. A good reason to give it some attention

yes I want this! infinite paragon is why I played D3 for 10,000+ hours.

I don’t care about the complainers. Too bad. I WANT THIS! 😀

stop making this into d3

Infinite paragon is going to kill this game faster than D3.

It would be a good addition to the game. We shouldn’t be relying on damage bugs to clear harder content but rather be farming those paragon points.

I’m worried that they’re gonna totally up end the paragon system. In one way it could be good because 75% of the nodes and glyphs are useless atm. I’d just like to see them fix those nodes and glyphs instead of totally changing the system

What would be the maximum paragon to get all boards maxed is my question

Infinite paragon is stupid idea … hope that blizzard is trying to change paragon system into something with more options to choose from

Have they fixed hard bricking yet, that’s been my biggest pain point. No fun to grind for gear knowing it’s most likely going straight in the trash. Let me select the affix I want and place the RNG in the value of the roll. No hard bricking and there is still a min max chase. This is such an easy fix.

I am all for infinite paragon points.

Please dont give us infinite paragon points blizzard. Just make the current points more impactful

The problems:
-alot of the nodes on the paragon boards will NEVER be taken because there is always a better node to take/path through, so why are they even there in the first place
-some players would like to path to some of the paragon nodes because it would allow them to not rely so heavily on hitting certain values on gear (like resistances or just stacking dex as a barb for crit hit chance) but right now the solution is: find the optimal path through the boards for maxing DPS and don’t use it to fix non-optimal gear and just drop/buy optimal gear. I mean “how dare you not having best in slot gear 2 days into a season, what are you, a cAsUaL?!?”
-Some players have fun optimizing their boards but easily more than 90% of the players don’t. they just pick whatever sounds good or follow a guide because they can’t be bothered to even try, they can’t even be bothered to think about how to rotate a board or in what order to pick them and every minute spend finding the ‘the best’ path is a minute wasted NOT PLAYING the game.
-if you played 200 or more hours after reaching level 100 and you didn’t find an item that is an upgrade then you have wasted 200+ hours. so 200+h with no progression. that just feels bad.

the solution: allow us to grind enough paragon points to fill the entire boards, this way:
-eventually every node will be taken and the game can be balanced on having a full paragon board and there will no longer be nodes that will never be taken.
-you don’t need to feel bad for picking paragon nodes that ‘fix’ your build because you know that you at some point will have both; nodes fixing your build AND the juicy ones that increase or even multiply your damage and your only trade off is the time it takes you to get to the really good nodes.
-a player who doesn’t like optimizing their boards but like to play alot can just ignore that aspect of the game, because at some point is doen’t matter anymore if they pathed through their boards in an optimal way or not but players who enjoy doing that still get alot of early game power from doing that
-playing many hours after reaching max level and a minimum of paragon point for a strong board but not getting an item upgrade no longer feels bad because at least you got some sweet additional paragon points that make you at least a tiny bit stronger.

A good balance between guaranteed progression through time invested and potential progression through good item drops is alot better than just a purely RNG based progression.

Not everyone is a pro. Paragon makes crabs stronger and allows them to go through high-end content, rather than jerk off with a 0.01% chance of a normal outfit.

How achievements are gonna work for new players if level 60 is the new top. 😅

I highly doubt it will be infinite paragon

Why no choice? You make decisions while you progress and then just max out all boards. Great idea and I always been asking for this. Once all boards and points maxed out then the top is reached.

I wouldn’t mind like 10-20 more paragon points for some more power but hell no to unlimited, it was the main aspect I disliked about D3.

They won’t go infinite Paragon. They’ll just move the startingpoint of paragons and rework + add new ones.

I think the most realistic scenario is every level that unlocks paragon points (60-100 in expansion) will be 5 points per level. Currently 4 for each level 50-100 is 200 points, 5 for each level 60-100 is the same 200 points.

We need infinite paragon.
1. It’s per season so it just disappears anyway. No real harm.
2. Many people quit after some time because there is nothing to reach for after level 100 and boss defeats.
3. NOBODY has gotten to Pit 200, right? There is still content not reachable currently.

I got some Chips Ahoy! for my new build….and so did THOUSANDs of other players…we’re all eating chocolate chips cookies. One player wanted to try the vanilla flavor but the cookie crumbled right out the box! Another wanted to try the new “frost” flavor but it tasted like shit!

I’m ok with them rebalancing the character levels but I don’t want them to overhaul the paragon system and add infinite paragons.

First we got ND in d4
Now we got infinity Scaling
Welcome back D3

If they add an infinite system to Diablo IV. That is one thing that would kill the game for me on the spot.

Don’t do it Blizzard!

You said it so well. I also always thought D2 had a perfect grind where you got 90% of your levels easily while the grind to 99 helped give small a goal to keep you motivated playing your character. I honestly lose all motivation to play my char in D4 when I hit 100

Why’s it matter if infinite when season is over and new season starts? For those who don’t want. Serious question

Diablo VII

IMHO infinite paragon levels actually retain my game play. Every season I was challenged to see how high I could get in D3 grinding those points. Since the endgame is subpar, this would incentivize me to play longer. I reached 100 season 4 and became very disillusioned. Improving gear while gaining paragon always feels good to me. It kept me chasing for that perfect item.

solo paso a comentar por aqui que el paragon infinito es basura

Why are we making these speculations when they literally just pivoted away from infinite paragon in D3. It will be changed but they will not make it infinite.

Infinite cosemtic paragon points

They would not be so stupid to ruin Paragon by giving it an infinite scaling system. This is just click bait

also this feature can make the game so fun and make us so powerful that keeps players in for when PoE2 Drops ! this and “More” Bosses and Raids and Endgame Activities, As of now i Swear! 99% of the players would not even think of playing d4 if PoE2 was available RIGHT NOW!

I truly believe they should go back to unlimited skills points and then 100 Paragon points or more. Having unlimited skills will allow the player to freely play the character on how he wants to play the character. That makes common sense

They don’t need to change anything, just need to add more skills, more powers in the paragon boards, new boards..

No need for a new system and really no need for infinite paragon

I’m glad you mentioned Diablo 2’s system. It’s the most balanced one in my opinion.

I didn’t play D3 for a fews months and came back to find someone had hacked my account and I now had a ton of paragon points. Worked out great.

or … ? i have an Idea ! Only sorcs can have infinite paragons and levels so that maybe they could be recognised as a viable class and compete for once , I’m sure @PerGamingGames would agree with me 😀

I just want my mercenary with it’s own skill tree

why not man ? i mean it would be nice for the game to recognise and reward its true loyal players who spend their entire time in the game ! like me ! and a lot of people like me … I’ve been at it since the beta and no one could really know the difference between me and a new player , thats kinda sad man … u feel me ? I’m down for infinite systems 100% we would feel our power growing and its FUN! Just why not ? as for the casual players : they could get help from the pro players more and trade or post for services , that would actually help the Trade website grow more and busier, and a job for us who are always playing and a point to keep going and growing our community.

I think it’s a step backwards. Infinite paragon plus seasonal resets are not good combinations. There’s nothing super horrible about it, it’s a direction; the two generally feel bad together though. It could make eternal more relevant i guess.

I would love a infinite paragon I want to be OP at the end of my grind as of right now that isn’t the case blizzard has an awful system and it needs to change

first greater rifts, now this. dont know why they didnt put d4 as an addon for d3.. seems we are going back and taking over a year to go back XD

I was also thinking it would be a balancing nightmare to allow infinite paragon points, but I do like the idea of maybe just 10 more levels for maybe an extra 10 paragon points total. Keep the pace of going from 1-100 the same, the same skill points and paragon points, but then going from 100-110 would take as long as leveling to 100 five times. You could naturally reach that relatively easy anyway, but it wouldn’t make 90% of the player base think they HAVE to do that in order to compete because 10 more paragon points is nice, but not game breaking.

I dont know how i feel about infinite paragon. If its infinite, its not special. Not spcial is boring.

I really really really hope they don’t bring back the infinite paragon system, I hated every second of it in D3.

BOT LIKE this video 😂

Great they just gonna give bots and mods top spots just like in D3 sounds fantastic

Hopefully the paragon will be capped, and the extra levels are for cosmetics. Having a cap is really important to prevent burnout and cosmetics are great for those who want it, or even just a title. D3 infinite paragon is really a problematic thing, like Quin was crying doing 16 hours GR for a paragon level. It was really stupid. D3 I would say cap it at like 1200 or 1500, whatever realistic.

Infinite paragon isn’t great. I’d rather have a jar of souls mechanic that gives you a reward cache every time you gain enough XP to “level up” basically the same xp amount as 99 to 100. This would reward people playing and actually killing monsters and it’s not like a character buff but the reward cache could have good shit in it like whisper caches

The more infinite progression impacts the power of your character, the worse the game becomes. So we’re better off without infinite progression at all. I think we reach the 100 level too fast. I’d prefer if we reach 80 level as fast as 100 now. The 100 level is not required for a build to function.

I think it should be done to make it reachable for the players that play season…like dudes like you playing 8 hours a day in month for regular folk 2-3 months…to keep us going whole season…it’s true that after reaching 100 lvl…you don’t have much of a progress and trying to find item that just gives a few more stats is kinda…it is something that is not guaranteed which is good but you need some progress that is guaranteed cuz than you lose your interest if nothing makes your class better…

paragon should be capped at aboout 100 to 200 hours game play. Like you said… because then they will be TOO powerful and Blizz will nerf the items….. which will run off the casuals…. just like in D3. Although…. I will be able to run a bot again if I want to play at all. You are 100 percent right…. just like how in D3 you can get the 125 leg gems fast for items but only grinders will get to the 150 Leg gems.

The other problem is if it is an infinite paragon board and if we are playing seasonal characters then how would we be able to grind if there is only 3 months for seasonal

I don’t want infinite Paragon. I like a hard cap. I am down for increasing Paragon up to 150 or 200, but please not infinite

The problem isn’t the leveling, it’s the item drops. I have the same 5 pieces of gear that I had when I reached level 100 (that is 5 weeks ago). Have found nothing better, and when I do find something that might be slightly better it gets bricked in tempering or I have it storage trying to get the item to roll with the affix/master work to work with my build. I have spent so much time doing pits and helltides these past weeks with no results. My character has reached a max pit level (can’t beat the next level). Only way for it to be stronger is to get gear with multiple greater affixes or roll better affixes in tempering. It’s the same problem as previous seasons. There is nothing worse than bricking an item. There needs to be something in place to reset tempering.

This is the issue with the current paragon board: there are many options that will never be used. Users run straight to the glyph socket on almost every board, and the ones with no glyph socket are used for the legendary node. All these rare nodes will never be used, and legendary nodes will not be used in favor of getting a glyph on the board. The system is flawed and needs a rework.

My guess is not an infinite system but streamlining the glyph socket/legendary node selections. A legendary node is no different than a legendary/unique affix. A glyph is a legendary aspect. The focus will be on glyph sockets and legendary nodes and removing all the filler. Adding more boards retains the choice aspect. All one is doing now is optimizing the paths through the boards. If those optimizations are cleaned up and made more concise, then the focus is on the glyph/legendary node element. Rare nodes could be inherent bonuses on the boards based on where they are placed in your paragon setup.

A fun idea would be having the legendary nodes be class-specific legendary aspects. Turning the paragon boards into a piece of gear with restrictions similar to how aspects get put on types of gear, i.e., mobility, defensive, etc. This would increase build diversity significantly and allow for a more custom build. The boards would be defensive, mobility, offensive, etc., and the user can place a select set of legendary aspects on the board instead of gear. Only some of the aspects would be usable on the board, and there would be a few board-only aspects that couldn’t be used on gear. Then, a limit can be placed on how many board types a player uses. This limit would ensure that no one can have five offensive boards. This system could also synergize with the classes and balance the problem of Barbarian having 4 (6, two are double) weapon slots by restricting offensive boards to the Barb and giving extra weapon boards to Sorc/Druid/Nec/Spiritborn. It is more complex than my example, but balance could be achieved in classes with certain advantages.

Disconnecting Level and Paragon is a much welcome change for me. Sharing Paragon among Twinks would be a dream come true. Capping P is necessary. But please a good amount higher, as atm.

It would be awesome to get to a point where you can fill out all the paragon boards!
The fun part of these games is playing a ridiculously overpowered char that just mows everything down with ease.

i hope they dont copy paste d3 for fucs sake use some innovation blizard

Rob i like your jon but Dibalo have not much content at all its doesent matter infiniti paragon or what ever the game is boring too small game and same map …..it was allways Diablo problems in all series 🙂

no infinite paragon please

You can make infinite paragon but restrict the number of paragon boards you can have. That way you will still have to choose legendary nodes of the paragon boards and you can’t get all of them (or make you choose specialisation like it is for new class that restricts you from some of the boards etc). I am more in favour of doing infinite paragon boards cuz people are still grinding for gear once they reach 100 and might not get upgrade for weeks. This way they will still see their characters getting stronger even though triple GA’s doesn’t drop. They can also add reset system like it is on old games like MU Online, where you can get 10-20 paragon points if you reset but you will have to start from lvl 1 and lvl up again every time you want to get extra points.

Will these potential changes come to season 5?

I hope they don’t implement tge infinite system

As a casual player, I don’t mind the inf paragon points (in the season, so 3 months). I think the more you play the more powerful you shall become like in d3, not just how lucky you are with drops or how much gold you have to buy items and that is coming from a player that will never get all the way to the top but still find it more fun to getting rewarded each time your XP bar starts over again.

Hi Robb, I have been following you since a while and I like your content. I have a proposition for you to present to Blizzard, what if I don’t want to create more than one build, in my case I only play Barb, thanks to your builds, and also because I only play barb and I hope to be able to play Pala in a near future. My proposition is regarding the way barb, I don’t know about the other classes, the way barb uses his weapons right now is not 100% efficient and real, why is this, because Blizzard can modify the way on how to employ the weapons, for example, I would to use two Grandpapas, two big hammers, in both barb’s hands, right and left hands, simple like that. Currently if you have two grandpapa stored in your inventory, you can use only one, the other, well you have only one way to use it, creating another class, I this this is an important matter for those who wants to play with only one class, and also it is a limiting gameplay factor for Diablo4 right now. I think all weapons must be able to be used in both hands class’s regardless. This is going to contribute exponentially good the the current D4 gameplay. Well that’s it. jeje.

endless paragon point is stupid way progress you get stuck in same creep of power

No thank you. One of the best things D4 improved on D3 was the limitation of points. It forced you to create builds instead of just clicking on the next best icon until it works.

Diablo 2 system would be best. 90/95% potential easy to obtain. And the rest very hard, grindy forbthose who want ultra max

Damn, i just farmed renown for my last 4 paragons. Wasted time

69 skill points, 420 paragon points. That’s the dream! 🙂

God please no

infinite pragon – nope but+5-10 (105-110 lvl max) why not – 100-200h hours per paragon point, sth like that… 5 points another aim to get for nolife players

I seriously hope it’s not uncapped… the botters will be the highest on the pit leader boards every season if that is the case.

Please, nothing infinite ….

Ok if it’s infinite…. All it means is it’s gonna take longer to get Uber…. Because I’d imagine, with each point, it will increase how long it takes to get the next point. If it’s this way…. Then it won’t be that bad. It benefits people who play the game for a living….

What was that star wars quote. Kill it let it die.

I hope NOT. D3 sucked with infinite system, rewarding grinding vs other elements of it.

I know it may be an unpopular opinion, but I like Diablo3s grind. It feels good to keep killing monsters wayy after max level.

The moment I hit 100 in D4, I get pretty bored. That being said, it doesn’t need to tie into power. Just need something to keep grinding outside of loot drops.

EDIT: Yeah, Diablo 2 is also a great example of ARPG leveling done right.

Infinite paragon is an awful idea. It’ll turn the game into “let’s keep grinding XP until we can brute force “X” encounter”

And if it’s true that raids are coming it’ll become another benchmark that people will gate keep

Infinite works best for Blasters and works good with casuals. It lets the base gear and stats reach a power level that gets you into the end game for casuals and lets you grind up the leader boards for the blasters. Predictable power progression is a good thing.

I want to grind for items like Runes, and hunt for base items for runewords. Stop making number grinds that mean nothing.

jede seas wieder von 00 anfangen das ist bull mist

I hope infinite paragon comes, people who are against it are whiny babies. It’s fine. It rewards playing for a long time. Hitting max level in a couple days then 3 weeks in your maxed out, why not have power over the course of the season.

Honestly, I feel like there’s already a Hardcore vs Casual gap with the itemization. I lean more casual, and I know I will never have the patience or time to create a character that looks like your loadout. I would not find it fun to grind to have the perfect rolled, all greater aspect in every slot item in my loadout. If I can reach end game and fairly confidently beat the base endgame bosses (not the tormented variants), I largely consider that a win in a season (I still struggle with Uber Lillith though, getting one shot by some of her attacks, which is annoying). There are already power gaps between the hardcore and the casual without going “oh, by the way, if you want to hit max level, you gotta be a hardcore player, no casuals allowed”. As a more casual player, I would find it frustrating and maybe disheartening that I couldn’t max level a character because the last 10 levels were designed to be achieved by hardcore players only. To me, that just feels like it creates a sense of elitism and gatekeeping when there’s already “Hardcore only” challenges in the game. I would rather the game add more “here’s a challenge for you hardcore players that you casuals don’t need to stress about not doing” rather than go “you casuals don’t deserve full character progression”.

You only play d4?you not get bored..im mostly bored of it after 2,3 weeks depends how good the mechanics are

Man….. I love D4, but I did not like D3. Boooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

Big F

i think its not good idea to mix D3 mechanic with D4 🙂 its good to add new things but not like this.

Yeah, this time im gonna bot if we get infinite paragons, bot till i get caught so i can quit for good.

Its not going to ruin the game unless the only reason you play D4 is to compete against others in high ranking leaderboards like in horn of trials. :p Personally im not one of them so I don’t care.

No, chasing gear is enough for me.

It gives players who play a lot a reason to play more, no harm no foul for those who dont want to participate they can hit their season goal and call it quits until the next season. What if it only applied additional stats in dungeons and not in the overworld?

Okay, the argument for like “oh yeah there will be a massive gap between people who play a lot and efficiently and the people who do not play a lot/hop on once in a blue moon”. I don’t understand why that is wrong? It only makes so much sense right? I really wish the game companies stop trying to close the gap between actual good players/grinders and casual players. Yes, you don’t play a lot, yes you don’t play well, yes YOU WONT BE AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THE GUY WHO SPENDS ALL THEIR TIME ON THIS, GOOD

Well for the eternal realm where they possibly wouldn’t have leaderboards maybe. But instead of leveling you find books of skills like from Diablo 1 that very rarely drop but have them only drop throughout the world only and not from world bosses and uber bosses.

Sorcs need infinite just to see what all the other classes always had. I’m always a caster in games like this and I still can’t believe how horrible this company has left one class behind. So far still zero A to S tier builds confirmed for season 5 except maybe one. I will be playing other games until the Blizzard Sorc hate stops. Do they even know how to balance game play between classes?

Gosh please no

Infinite Paragon like D3 will ruin D4.

The devs just said casual gamers don’t even hit 100 and a season is only 3 months long why would these devs makes leveling and grinding even harder

I don’t think so. They are lowering the power creep in the game by the looks of it because it’s only one year into the game and it’s already out of control.

10 extra levels??

I don’t bother about people who play a lot and how strong their characters are
But I missed about feeling of progression in Diablo. When I reached max level I lose this feeling.
They definitely should device some approach to preserve feeling of infinite progression

Infinite paragon will be trash. They better not

I really hope it’s not infinite. I hated this about Diablo 3.

All the vids you post are all theory predictions no game play anymore!,,, May aswell play Poe and let old dogs die!…. At this point it feels like a condition!

how is it a disadvantage, someone who grinds more SHOULD be more powerful than a casual, thats why this makes to much sense, blizzard doesn’t reward grinders, they reward the 9-5 dad with 17 kids remember

They must add it.
Currently D4 only has gear progression so when you play there is no feeling of progress. At least with infinite paragons you are making some progress. Should also add infinite Glyphs while theyre at it, which gives you a reason to keep running NMD.

I would prefer D2 system over D3 paragons, but if they stop at 420 that would be the best 👍

I don’t think infinite paragon makes sense for this game, they already have a hard enough time balancing game difficulty without introducing even more sources of power disparity. I would like some sort of long-term deterministic grind rather than just farming for GA items, cosmetic rewards would be good IMO

I will quit Diablo 4 if they implement infinite paragon board.

More paragons points will be great

If infinite paragon is coming I’ll never play d4 again.

Alright hear me out. Set paragon points to start. Earn extra points from weekly or hard content. Rare drops from world boss or ubers

i mean call of duty prestige system was widely loved. this can easily work

Would love infinite paragon

Would absolutely kill the game for me if so.

I would like it. At this point you level to 100 in a few hours and then running pit only for gear thats boring without any kind of progress and not motivating to anything, Sorry. Diablo 3 has one advantage the infinite paragon makes its possible to clear 150 with every build. There should be some kind of endless progression after 100 like i said farming with no progress in the background is boring and unmotivating

if it is infinite it will break the game.

I really hope they dont do it. Just make the boards more fun and its a great paragon system. A few more points is fine, but infinite is soooo boring. I want them to remove additives or just give rare additives/extremely necessary ones and puts fun nodes. Move speed, atk speed, mastery skill size, core skill size, you would be able to chose what you want as temper and what you want from paragon. And make some new fun nodes that change the game somewhat. Imagine infinite progression and raids, good luck playing the game with such a gap between people

yep thats it. d4 bad. bye.

Showing the elon musk comment and not mentioning it like its normal is a crazy flex my guy! lol

Infinite paragon for 3 month’s ? for what ?

Infinite paragon for the win i love to play 1 class all the way in a season

One of the really neat aspects of playing endgame is that even though gaining levels is increasingly slower as you approach 100, you still have 4 rewards as you go through the level (4 paragon points). Changing it so the reward only comes as the level is completed might reinforce the feeling of accomplishment, but I really like how it is right now.

Infinite paragon would be terrible. It was one of the worst parts of d3

New paragon boards and legendary modes that will also be capped at abysmally low levels no thanks d4 is dead

Time for Python automation skills

Infinite but it resets with a new season sounds cool

pls no more D3 system

infinite clicking coming, great, not!

DEI Devs don’t know how to design a new game, so they’re just making D4 into D3….. DEI is the Elephant in the room nobody wants to call out as the major problem destroying companies! I paid for a new Diablo game & got D3 with better graphics……

I don’t think they gonna give us infinite paragons. I hope they will increase max lvl from 50 to 60 and give us 5 paragon points per level instead of 4 points up to lvl 100. Having paragon levels without any limitiation is just boring. Also another thing if we gonna have some group activities it will end up like people with low paragons will not be able to find a group due to lvl and dmg difference

I’m actually fine with infinite Paragon points because it would feed into the power fantasy. Although, I do think it will lead to insane class inbalances at the endgame.

LOOK kiddies its blizzard they come up with creative ways to screw up the game and ruin what little enjoyment you have left of this crash course test dummy game 😂

I hate the endless paragon from the bottom of my heart.

They should steal poe new leauge and put it into strongholds

No problem at all with “infinite” Paragon. Why shouldn’t there be a gap between people that play a lot and people that don’t? I don’t understand this argument

I hope not. Infinite Paragon is completely stupid. Majority disliked it in D3.

They really should bring that system from D3 back. Infinite paragon made the replayability way better. You’re not penalized starting a new character when you have an account wide level.

What if the (1) was like a prestige level?

Please please no paragon system from D3. We dont want botters. Plus, nobody can play 8 hs x day. We need gaps.

Please no..

Instant quit if true. Shame, wasted a lot on skins like an idiot.

Having a leveling system in which you have higher difficulty in the last 10 lvls in order to reach the max sounds really good! I remembered that in D2 and it was awesome. That can be a solution for D4, you dont need to invent the wheel if its already invented and its works great!!

If they ever want true leader boards they shouldn’t do the infinite paragon. Would be the botters on the top just like in D3.

This will never happen, simply because the game will become uninteresting.

I think this would be AWESOME…
reward your loyal players…give more Incentive to your grinders

So we have to level up our all 12 characters to 20000 paragon level just in 2 months??

Hell yea hope we get D3 paragorn back! Feeling progress is great!

That would be great. Grinding just for gear is not fun. Though I think it is more possible that at earlier levels we will get less paragon points and at later levels it will be more. This way mid game will become tougher.

I would absolutely hate it

Infinite paragon is non sense when you see someone para 5000 (botting/abusing group play) doing 10x times your damage with exactly the same stuff.

October, guys. OCTOBER!!!

Infinite Paragon = more bots

I actually like the infinite paragon system. It feels like you’re indefinitely being rewarded with power even after hitting max level. I always liked it in D3